From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun Nov 27 21:56:44 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:56:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fantastic Beasts anyone? Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193063 Hi folks, fully realizing this is the book discussion list, I will make this work. Anyone have thoughts on the Fantastic Beasts film? I hope to see it myself this week. Still although I have the book I have not read it as of yet. Granted my understanding is that save for the author being the main focus of the film, reading the Fantastic Beasts textbook will not help with the film. I am most interested in Rowling as screenwriter though. Thanks for thoughts, Kare From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun Nov 27 23:22:47 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:22:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: HP Canon book question? Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193064 Hi all, Granted this may be a typo...because I cannot imagine it not being noticed before. Certainly if it had, cannot say I would know regardless. Anyway, I started reading canon again on Halloween. I was reading a fan fiction work called the Snape Chronicles and kept comparing scenes so started the series anew. I am up to Goblet of Fire. I feel very sure many people noticed that Rowling has the wrong day of the week for the start of term. 1 September 1995 was a Friday, so no lessons would start in the morning as Dumbledore states at the feast. There is another feast event though generating my question. Is not the sorting done in one case out of alphabetical order? Will see if that rings a bell, Kare From bart at moosewise.com Mon Nov 28 11:07:43 2016 From: bart at moosewise.com (Bart Lidofsky) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:07:43 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193065 On 11/27/2016 6:22 PM, Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Hi all, Granted this may be a typo...because I cannot imagine it not being noticed before. Certainly if it had, cannot say I would know regardless. Anyway, I started reading canon again on Halloween. I was reading a fan fiction work called the Snape Chronicles and kept comparing scenes so started the series anew. I am up to Goblet of Fire. I feel very sure many people noticed that Rowling has the wrong day of the week for the start of term. 1 September 1995 was a Friday, so no lessons would start in the morning as Dumbledore states at the feast. There is another feast event though generating my question. Is not the sorting done in one case out of alphabetical order? Will see if that rings a bell, Kare Bart: A) The actual years are calculated by deduction; there is no canon as to which year is which. B) "There are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't." - J. K. Rowling. Bart From ccairns2005 at yahoo.ie Mon Nov 28 11:57:56 2016 From: ccairns2005 at yahoo.ie (charlie cairns) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Fantastic Beasts anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1870075994.3029155.1480334276290@mail.yahoo.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193066 Very enjoyable film, need to watch it again for all the side scenes, like the newspaper adverts. I thought it was good not to have read the script, a first in that I didn't know what was going to happen in the film. Ciaran From: "Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups]" To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016, 21:56:44 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Fantastic Beasts anyone? ? Hi folks, fully realizing this is the book discussion list, I will make this work. Anyone have thoughts on the Fantastic Beasts film? I hope to see it myself this week. Still although I have the book I have not read it as of yet. Granted my understanding is that save for the author being the main focus of the film, reading the Fantastic Beasts textbook will not help with the film. I am most interested in Rowling as screenwriter though. 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URL: From CatMcNulty at comcast.net Mon Nov 28 17:23:26 2016 From: CatMcNulty at comcast.net (CatMcNulty at comcast.net) Date: 28 Nov 2016 09:23:26 -0800 Subject: Fantastic Beasts anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193067 Greetings Karen, I have seen the movie. I have not read the screen play, yet. In this case, since the movie came first (the screen play/book was not released until after the movie premiered) I advocate seeing the MOVIE first. The primary reason is that the entire story line was conceived AS A MOVIE therefore should be enjoyed as it was originally created first. Besides there is a surprise in the end that you really do not want to spoil for yourself. If you find out what the secret is, by reading the screen play first, it will "taint" the enjoyment of the entire film. ... It would be like reading the last page of a novel first... In terms of visual impact ... It is FANTASTIC! AND I am so glad that more are coming! 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Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193068 Wait, how is that? You know that Lilly and James are killed on Halloween in 1981, that Harry is born on 31 July 1980. so he is eleven in 1991, and the years at school follow in that way. How is this calculating by deduction? Kare > > Kare wrote: [snip] I feel very sure many people noticed that Rowling has the wrong day of the week for the start of term. 1 September 1995 was a Friday, so no lessons would start in the morning as Dumbledore states at the feast. [snip] Kare > > >Bart: > A) The actual years are calculated by deduction; there is no canon > as to which year is which. > B) "There are three kinds of people in this world: those who can > count, and those who can't." - J. K. Rowling. > > Bart > From jrrtchik at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 18:34:35 2016 From: jrrtchik at yahoo.com (jrrtchik at yahoo.com) Date: 28 Nov 2016 10:34:35 -0800 Subject: Fantastic Beasts anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193069 I watched. It`s an EPIC fail. You can keep your money and time - nothing interesting at all. jrrtchik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shanlera at optonline.net Mon Nov 28 20:55:32 2016 From: shanlera at optonline.net (Adrienne) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:55:32 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Fantastic Beasts anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5146d015-c9b0-dc50-b7de-47379af949c8@optonline.net> No: HPFGUIDX 193070 I wish that JK Rowling would write the book corresponding to the film and hope to see the movie this week. -- Adrienne in NW NJ shanlera at optonline.net 25 min. from anywhere NJMECOON; Maine Coon Rescue; Garden State Cat Club EMT*Needlework*Science Fiction*Cats "Cats regard people as warm-blooded furniture." From klewellen at shellworld.net Mon Nov 28 21:34:39 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:34:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Fantastic Beasts anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193071 Very cool! You know I cannot believe I forgot she was publishing the screenplay! I enjoy reading them in general, but will firmly and absolutely wait. It is interesting, I read an interview with Rowling where she said she wrote the screenplay sort of by accident. Still I am sure once completed, a chance to do right by her creations more than the hp films do kept her going. will make it a point to catch the film this week. Thanks, Kare On Mon, 28 Nov 2016, CatMcNulty at comcast.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Greetings Karen, > > I have seen the movie. I have not read the screen play, yet. In this case, since the movie came first (the screen play/book was not released until after the movie premiered) I advocate seeing the MOVIE first. > [snip] From bart at moosewise.com Mon Nov 28 21:58:03 2016 From: bart at moosewise.com (Bart Lidofsky) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:58:03 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193072 On 11/28/2016 10:34 AM, Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Wait, how is that? You know that Lilly and James are killed on Halloween in 1981, that Harry is born on 31 July 1980. so he is eleven in 1991, and the years at school follow in that way. How is this calculating by deduction? Bart: Where in the books does it specify 1981? Bart From cresorchid at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 22:54:30 2016 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:54:30 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: <4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> References:

<4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193073 It never says 1981, but it DOES say that Harry was born in 1980, that he was 15 months old when his parents die, and that he received his letter in 1991. At least I believe it says that. Even so, we know Harry was born in 1980 and started school at age 11. Crescent On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Bart Lidofsky bart at moosewise.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > On 11/28/2016 10:34 AM, Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net > [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > Wait, how is that? You know that Lilly and James are killed on Halloween > in 1981, that Harry is born on 31 July 1980. so he is eleven in 1991, and > the years at school follow in that way. How is this calculating by > deduction? > > Bart: > > Where in the books does it specify 1981? > > Bart > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Mon Nov 28 23:01:40 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:01:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References:

<4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193074 Absolutely correct. It becomes a matter of, well, counting. Kare On Mon, 28 Nov 2016, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > It never says 1981, but it DOES say that Harry was born in 1980, that he > was 15 months old when his parents die, and that he received his letter in > 1991. At least I believe it says that. Even so, we know Harry was born in > 1980 and started school at age 11. > > Crescent From bmqy4in7hh5enfgrjozonejezj3kltwrtrn2xx7f at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 23:53:38 2016 From: bmqy4in7hh5enfgrjozonejezj3kltwrtrn2xx7f at yahoo.com (bmqy4in7hh5enfgrjozonejezj3kltwrtrn2xx7f at yahoo.com) Date: 28 Nov 2016 15:53:38 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References:

<4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193075 I think it was determined in the old days, that JKR for all her attention to detail, did not check the actual days of the week for the dates. So there are discrepancies along that line, and also along the timing of sunset and sunrise in some of the stories. (Potioncat, also know as Kathy) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmqy4in7hh5enfgrjozonejezj3kltwrtrn2xx7f at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 23:56:00 2016 From: bmqy4in7hh5enfgrjozonejezj3kltwrtrn2xx7f at yahoo.com (bmqy4in7hh5enfgrjozonejezj3kltwrtrn2xx7f at yahoo.com) Date: 28 Nov 2016 15:56:00 -0800 Subject: Fantastic Beasts anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193076 It was great! Some parts of it are darker than the later books in the HP series. I went to see it with my family and it was nice to have one other HP freak in the group to discuss questions of canon with. Go see it! . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Tue Nov 29 07:47:15 2016 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com) Date: 28 Nov 2016 23:47:15 -0800 Subject: HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References:

<4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193077 Originally, I think it arose from the Deathday Party which marked the 500th anniversary of Sir Nicholas' death in October 1492. Hence, this is October 1992. Harry is in the Autumn term of his Second Year. Hence he started at the school in September of 1991 when he was eleven. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mellyff at gmail.com Tue Nov 29 11:33:44 2016 From: mellyff at gmail.com (mellyff at gmail.com) Date: 29 Nov 2016 03:33:44 -0800 Subject: HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References:

<4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193078 Also, in Deathly Hallows, don't we get the dates of James' and Lily's birth dates/deaths on their gravestones? But I agree that JKR just didn't check the dates. September 1 was always the date when Harry left for Hogwarts, wasn't it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bart at moosewise.com Tue Nov 29 12:17:25 2016 From: bart at moosewise.com (Bart Lidofsky) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:17:25 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References:

<4de8aa3e-e782-64a4-bae9-ea9d98ff668d@moosewise.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193079 On 11/28/2016 5:54 PM, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > It never says 1981, but it DOES say that Harry was born in 1980, that > he was 15 months old when his parents die, and that he received his > letter in 1991. At least I believe it says that. Even so, we know > Harry was born in 1980 and started school at age 11. Bart: OK, what is the source of the 1980 date? Bart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnoyl at aim.com Tue Nov 29 17:35:21 2016 From: jnoyl at aim.com (J Lyon) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:35:21 +0000 Subject: HP Canon book question? Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193080 >Bart: A) The actual years are calculated by deduction; there is no canon as to which year is which. B) "There are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't." - J. K. Rowling. James: I still stand by my original response years ago: Harry Potter DOES NOT live in our world, and, therefore, could have any sort of calendar. For all we know, their calendar might have 30 days for J, M, M, July, S, and N and 30 days for F, A, J, A, O, and N. We don?t know. Just making some assumption that the HP world and our world had the same Muggle history is not anything we can say for sure?folks just ASSUME it is our world, as though our world in the same world ANY fantasy novel takes place in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnoyl at aim.com Tue Nov 29 17:37:35 2016 From: jnoyl at aim.com (J Lyon) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:37:35 +0000 Subject: HP Canon book question? Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193081 >Originally, I think it arose from the Deathday Party which marked the 500th anniversary of Sir Nicholas' death in October 1492. Hence, this is October 1992. Harry is in the Autumn term of his Second Year. Hence he started at the school in September of 1991 when he was eleven. James: This, and that is all canon has in it, and JKR regrets that whole Death Day party to this day, I am sure. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drednort at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 06:48:42 2016 From: drednort at gmail.com (Shaun Hately) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:48:42 +1100 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: HP Canon book question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193082 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:37 AM, J Lyon jnoyl at aim.com [HPforGrownups] < HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > >Originally, I think it arose from the Deathday Party which marked the > 500th anniversary of Sir Nicholas' death in October 1492. Hence, this is > October 1992. Harry is in the Autumn term of his Second Year. Hence he > started at the school in September of 1991 when he was eleven. > > James: > This, and that is all canon has in it, and JKR regrets that whole Death > Day party to this day, I am sure. > Aalthough for a long time, that was the only reference we had, JKR gave us a reference in a later book that confirms the dates. James and Lily's gravestone in 'Deathly Hallows' does confirm their date of death as 31 October 1981 - I just checked, it is there in black and white (page 268 and again on page 272 of the British editions). She also tweeted this year on September 1st that it was Albus Potter's first day at Hogwarts which caused a mild kerfuffle because she'd actually miscounted and it's next year that he is due to start (she confirmed this in a later tweet). This just indicates that JKR is not all that good at calendar mathematics, which she has admitted before. The Harry Potter books are intended to be set at a particular time, but she doesn't obsess about the details, which is why 1st September is always his first day (and apparently still is). You can certainly assume that the Wizard calendar doesn't quite match our own (I do), but the years are pretty solid. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: