From HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sun Sep 4 16:55:04 2016 From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) Date: 4 Sep 2016 16:55:04 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, Sunday, 04 September 2016 Message-ID: <1473008104.13.16427.m16@yahoogroups.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193024 Weekly Chat reminder When: Sunday, 04 September 2016 07:00 PM to 08:00 PM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. 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I have not started reading because I realize when I start it is the last time I can start a new piece of cannon laughs! Still if we are going to talk about it here I will do my duty and stop reading fan fiction instead. Kare >On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, 'DaveLH .' daveh47 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Anyone interested in discussing...? > From frogcreekwoods at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 23:02:02 2016 From: frogcreekwoods at gmail.com (Frogcreek) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 19:02:02 -0400 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Harry Potter and the Cursed Child In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03b161ed-8007-c7de-8b8e-8af038691b3a@gmail.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193027 I would be interested too. Ellie On 9/6/2016 6:05 PM, 'DaveLH .' daveh47 at gmail.com mailto:daveh47 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: Anyone interested in discussing...? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cheri0427 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 15:17:58 2016 From: cheri0427 at yahoo.com (Cheryl Brim) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Harry Potter and the Cursed Child References: <458412493.383749.1473261478137.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458412493.383749.1473261478137@mail.yahoo.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193028 I would :) cheri0427 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:35:27 2016 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 17:35:27 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Potter and the Cursed Child In-Reply-To: <458412493.383749.1473261478137@mail.yahoo.com> References: <458412493.383749.1473261478137.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <458412493.383749.1473261478137@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193029 I have to admit that even though I started it, I haven't finished it yet. Guess I need to get my butt in gear and read it through! 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URL: From thaddeus19 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 08:46:24 2016 From: thaddeus19 at yahoo.com (thaddeus19 at yahoo.com) Date: 09 Sep 2016 01:46:24 -0700 Subject: fic search Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193031 a powerful force is awoken and kills voldemort with ease. one is locked away underneath hogwarts snape researches the beast it both has vines kinda like a plant god . harry gets turned into one this is a slash fic help please -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Sep 9 14:55:48 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Harry Potter and the Cursed Child In-Reply-To: <172170013.722846.1473288790359@mail.yahoo.com> References: <172170013.722846.1473288790359.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <172170013.722846.1473288790359@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193032 So, shall we wait until people have finished, or start at the top? I started last night, and am up to act 1 scene 10. of part 1. Kare > On Wed, 7 Sep 2016, Rebecca Scalf witherwing at sbcglobal.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Count me in! I have a few more chapters to read though! > ~Witherwing From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Sep 9 14:59:47 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the cursed child. Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193033 Answering my own question by providing a starting place...that is spoiler free. How are folks feeling bout reading the story as a play in general? Kare From frogcreekwoods at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 21:46:52 2016 From: frogcreekwoods at gmail.com (Frogcreek) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 17:46:52 -0400 Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the cursed child. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193034 It does lose much of what I love about JKR's writing, the fabulous descriptions and the side relationships. I'm not sure why she said it had to be told as a play, except she didn't want to do all that work! lol. On 9/9/2016 10:59 AM, Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > Answering my own question by providing a starting place...that is spoiler > free. > How are folks feeling bout reading the story as a play in general? > Kare > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 00:52:26 2016 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:52:26 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the cursed child. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193035 Personally, I wish it had been written like a story rather than play. I find stage directions and such distracting from the story?but it is what it is. Crescent On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Frogcreek frogcreekwoods at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > It does lose much of what I love about JKR's writing, the fabulous > descriptions and the side relationships. I'm not sure why she said it had > to be told as a play, except she didn't want to do all that work! lol. > > > > On 9/9/2016 10:59 AM, Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net > [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > > Answering my own question by providing a starting place...that is spoiler > free. > How are folks feeling bout reading the story as a play in general? > Kare > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MadameSSnape at aol.com Sat Sep 10 03:28:40 2016 From: MadameSSnape at aol.com (MadameSSnape at aol.com) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:28:40 -0400 Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the ... Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193036 Sherrie writes: Which is precisely why I haven't bought it. I've been an actor for almost 40 years, a stage manager, and a director, and I ALWAYS find stage directions annoying, even in a play I'm working on. Reading one? They drive me nuts - I'm always tempted to get out little figures & try to work the blocking! Sherrie Crescent: Personally, I wish it had been written like a story rather than play. I find stage directions and such distracting from the story?but it is what it is. Ellie wrote: It does lose much of what I love about JKR's writing, the fabulous descriptions and the side relationships. I'm not sure why she said it had to be told as a play, except she didn't want to do all that work! lol. Kare wrote: Answering my own question by providing a starting place...that is spoiler free. How are folks feeling bout reading the story as a play in general? Kare -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sun Sep 11 16:55:13 2016 From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) Date: 11 Sep 2016 16:55:13 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, Sunday, 11 September 2016 Message-ID: <1473612913.13.52338.m16@yahoogroups.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193037 Weekly Chat reminder When: Sunday, 11 September 2016 07:00 PM to 08:00 PM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. 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Work seems to be coming out of her ears. I just finished act 1, how about others, where are you in the reading? I wonder too if she will write the screenplay for the film edition of cursed child...as I believe there will be one. Kare On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, Frogcreek frogcreekwoods at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > It does lose much of what I love about JKR's writing, the fabulous > descriptions and the side relationships. I'm not sure why she said it > had to be told as a play, except she didn't want to do all that work! lol. > > From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun Sep 18 01:26:40 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193039 Laughs!! That is tempting to be sure..although sometimes I am feeling the directions are too vague, smiles. Kare On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, MadameSSnape at aol.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Sherrie writes: Which is precisely why I haven't bought it. I've been an actor for almost 40 years, a stage manager, and a director, and I ALWAYS find stage directions annoying, even in a play I'm working on. Reading one? They drive me nuts - I'm always tempted to get out little figures & try to work the blocking! > > Sherrie > From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun Sep 18 01:25:03 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the cursed child. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193040 Granted I like plays and read allot of them. still, I keep wishing the dialogue were deeper and more detailed. I understand the stage production, both parts together, takes five hours..and I am wondering what makes it so long. I understand why Draco's son is such a draw though. Kare On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Personally, I wish it had been written like a story rather than play. I > find stage directions and such distracting from the storybut it is what it > is. > > Crescent > > From HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com Sun Sep 18 16:55:03 2016 From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) Date: 18 Sep 2016 16:55:03 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, Sunday, 18 September 2016 Message-ID: <1474217703.10.16933.m3@yahoogroups.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193041 Weekly Chat reminder When: Sunday, 18 September 2016 07:00 PM to 08:00 PM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK From: HPforGrownups Calendar Privacy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MadameSSnape at aol.com Sun Sep 18 03:42:36 2016 From: MadameSSnape at aol.com (MadameSSnape at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:42:36 -0400 Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the ... Message-ID: <8f685.34dc01ad.450f672c@aol.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193042 And that's the problem - it's why every director I know uses some sort of "little figures", whether it's Lego figures, pennies, squares of paper, or, in my case, a different Disney Princess (+ Ursula) for each of the Steel Magnolias. Not only are the ones given sometimes too vague, they're sometimes unworkable with real people & current stage tech. Sherrie In a message dated 9/17/2016 11:32:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com writes: Laughs!! That is tempting to be sure..although sometimes I am feeling the directions are too vague, smiles. Kare On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, MadameSSnape at aol.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Sherrie writes: Which is precisely why I haven't bought it. I've been an actor for almost 40 years, a stage manager, and a director, and I ALWAYS find stage directions annoying, even in a play I'm working on. Reading one? They drive me nuts - I'm always tempted to get out little figures & try to work the blocking! > > Sherrie > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nbazajou at earthlink.net Tue Sep 20 19:46:37 2016 From: Nbazajou at earthlink.net (Nancy) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 14:46:37 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the cursed child. References: Message-ID: <57E1921C.000001.06436@POWELL-SEC> No: HPFGUIDX 193043 I devoured this as soon as I got it. Since then I have read it three times. I am hoping for a film too but my mind sees the original cast. The new cast doesn't work for me, sorry JK. Nancy > Kare: > To be fair to Rowling, she did not want to tell this story...the co-writers on the project convinced her it should be done. As for all that work, well let's see. she is presently writing a series of mystery books, wrote the screenplay for fantastic beasts which comes out in November, and had to be involved in the filming. there is a sequel for that one, for which she is also writing the screenplay. Work seems to be coming out of her ears. I just finished act 1, how about others, where are you in the reading? I wonder too if she will write the screenplay for the film edition of cursed child...as I believe there will be one. Kare < -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Sep 21 04:32:26 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the cursed child. In-Reply-To: <57E1921C.000001.06436@POWELL-SEC> References: <57E1921C.000001.06436@POWELL-SEC> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193044 I just finished it moments ago! Its funny a friend gave me a copy as a birthday present, now almost on my monthly birthday I get it done....amazing! I am tempted to read all the novels and add it to see how I feel about the flow. I really look forward to the final edition to see what changed from the Rehearsal copy. You know what I find interesting in the cast listing is how many parts were played by the same person, and how many that one might think would get doubled were not. As for the Film, I recall Warner Brothers already stated it will be done, although not for a while. I can say with firmness though that Dan will not be playing Potter again for sure. One reason ROWLING was a tad reluctant to write another work is her promise to Dan that she would not. Bless his heart he has been doing characters in film and on the stage that he hopes will keep anyone from seeing Harry in him anymore. Are we ready to talk details with the usual warnings about spoilers? Kare On Tue, 20 Sep 2016, 'Nancy' Nbazajou at earthlink.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I devoured this as soon as I got it. Since then I have read it three times. I am hoping for a film too but my mind sees the original cast. The new cast doesn't work for me, sorry JK. > > Nancy > From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Sep 21 04:20:56 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] telling the story as a play, starts Harry Potter and the ... In-Reply-To: <8f685.34dc01ad.450f672c@aol.com> References: <8f685.34dc01ad.450f672c@aol.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193045 Now I have to read Steel Magnolias again..that image is too funny. I wonder how the directions will change when the deluxe edition is published In December. I just finished, will comment in a bit. Still after a point many stage directions faded all together. sort of illustrates that at least my copy is a rehearsal one. Kare On Sat, 17 Sep 2016, MadameSSnape at aol.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > And that's the problem - it's why every director I know uses some sort of > > "little figures", whether it's Lego figures, pennies, squares of paper, or, > in my case, a different Disney Princess (+ Ursula) for each of the Steel > Magnolias. Not only are the ones given sometimes too vague, they're > sometimes unworkable with real people & current stage tech. > > Sherrie From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Sep 21 16:02:54 2016 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] When was Delphi born/conceived? (Cursed Child spoilers!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193046 Hi Kenny, Now I can read and add my two cents here. Actually, you may be making a couple of assumptions. First given how long lived wizards and witches are in general, the span for childbirth could likely be rather long. further there are no doubt potions to extend a witch health wise on many levels. Further, we are assuming no dark magic was involved in how Delphi was conceived and delivered. She is described as 20 something, so the 1998 date works, she says before the battle of Hogwarts, etc. As for movie verses cannon, consider that JKR has disputed some movie details...your discussion of the astronomy tower battle is just one. Bella's devotion to Voldemort clearly over road any ahem duty to her husband. I do resonate with your theory that Bella likely lived at the Manner, if not full time since1982, certainly post prison escape. My own confusion though comes in Delphi's explanation as to how she learned about her heritage. She claims Bella's husband told her after he returned from prison...when exactly? I cannot imagine him ever reaching the outside world again after Voldemort's downfall, so wonder just when this took place? Kare On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, kennyg1864 at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > HP wiki has her birth at 1998, but it has to be prior to late March 1998 (the Skirmish at Malfoy Manor). Which means Bellatrix was likely already a month or so pregnant at the Battle of the Seven Potters (Jul 27 1997). (One hopes that broom-flying does not induce nausea in pregnant witches. Maybe there's a potion for that.) Interestingly, she was in her mid-40's for her first and only child. > > > Despite what we were shown in the movie, Bellatrix was not at the Battle of the Astronomy Tower (Jun 30 1997). Perhaps Voldemort didn't want to needlessly put his progeny at risk. Although he didn't have this concern a month later, probably because they needed as many Death Eaters as possible. > > > (and wasn't the movie Astronomy Tower battle the lamest ever? Bellatrix kicks over some plates, breaks windows, and sets fire to Hagrid's hut. All the Vanishing Cabinet scenes buildup...and then this. No Aurors vs Death Eaters in the hallways of Hogwarts. Such a disappointment.) > > > Per the HP wiki, Bellatrix was living at Malfoy Manor with her sister Narcissa "by 1997", and Voldemort was staying there as well. I can't pin down when this started without my books though. She might have been living there in early 1996, after the breakout from Azkaban in January 1996. Perhaps she and Rodolphus has lost their residence during their stay at Azkaban, since they had been there since approx 1982.. > > > At first I thought Bellatrix's pregnancy must have been uncomfortable for Rodolphus, but then I discovered their marriage was a platonic one. (wonder why she just didn't remain single?) > > > One hopes that Voldemort did not have the bedroom next to Lucius and Narcissa. (Lucius: "My dear, we do not hear a thing...") > > > kennyg1864 > > > > From daveh47 at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 16:57:46 2016 From: daveh47 at gmail.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 09:57:46 -0700 Subject: When was Delphi born/conceived? (Cursed Child spoilers!) Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193047 "Karen Lewellen" wrote: > As for movie verses cannon, consider that JKR has disputed some movie details...your discussion of the astronomy tower battle is just one. > Bella's devotion to Voldemort clearly over road any ahem duty to her husband. I do resonate with your theory that Bella likely lived at the Manner, > if not full time since1982, certainly post prison escape. My own confusion though comes in Delphi's explanation as to how she learned about her heritage. > She claims Bella's husband told her after he returned from prison...when exactly? I cannot imagine him ever reaching the > outside world again after Voldemort's downfall, so wonder just when this took place? Kare Rodolphus seems to have a pretty low profile in the last two years before Voldemort's final defeat, so perhaps he was able to plea-bargain his way out of Azkaban, like Kakaroff before him...? Speaking of making bargains, and since you bring up the film's Astronomy Tower scene -- Looking at Bella's big, pyromaniacal presence in the sixth film, I can't help wondering if Helen Bonham-Carter lobbied for a bigger role in it, over JKR's objections...? (Just a hypothesis.) My big problem with Voldemort and Bella having a kid (aside from the obvious "Eww" aspect) is that you'd think V would have deemed it too risky. In his own mind, he's literally immortal, so no need to "immortalize" oneself with an heir. So why risk siring a potential future rival? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My theory is that Delphi was conceived *because* of the prophecy. (We don't know when it was given.) Voldemort wouldn't think that he could die, but he'd found that being deprived of his body was almost as bad as Slughorn had warned him it would be. The prophecy would warn him that it might happen again, indeed that it *would* happen. He discovered last time that his assumption that he could rely on his Death Eaters to swiftly find him and help him return to his body was mistaken. So, in considering a prophecy that he would return, he might have decided a child of his could bring it about. If Bella was already pregnant at the Ministry battle, or if Voldemort had already decided she should be the mother of his child, it might explain why he bothered to rescue her even though he blamed her for the failure of the mission. I have always wondered about that. I don't suppose a witch has to look pregnant if she doesn't want to. 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Actually it would not make sense at all if not given after this point. In this moment, realizing I desire another read, I am feeling it was given in the window after that defeat, say one year later or so. > Pippin: > Voldemort wouldn't think that he could die, but he'd found that being deprived of > his body was almost as bad as Slughorn had warned him it would be. The > prophecy would warn him that it might happen again, indeed that it *would* > happen. Kare: Which seems to confirm my feeling that it was not given until after his defeat, based on Tom's stance at the final battle. If he already knew he would lose his body again, his actions would reflect as much in theory at least. > Pippin: > If Bella was already pregnant at the Ministry battle, or if Voldemort had already > decided she should be the mother of his child, it might explain why he bothered to > rescue her even though he blamed her for the failure of the mission. I have > always wondered about that. Kare: You brought this up before I could. Voldemort would have no reason to save Bella unless he indeed respected her devotion, if there was something ritualistic going on, possible even without the romance because Voldemort liked things violent and power based, or if she were already pregnant. Bella made no secret that she considered herself his most faithful, and I am sure she would have done anything at all to prove as much. Karen From coverton1982 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 23 22:20:20 2016 From: coverton1982 at hotmail.com (Corey overton) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:20:20 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: When was Delphi born/conceived? (Cursed Child spoilers!) In-Reply-To: References: <0a5db2fe-dfbf-dec3-6afd-d6b69d46b04a@cox.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193051 Corey: I hope Voldemort doesn't come back to life. I've read parts of The Cursed Child, I'm in the middle of it. Corey Dorothy: While I haven't read the Cursed Child, I also can't see Voldemort with Bella. He seems so dismissive of her other than her being one of his minions. He is so obsessed with becoming alive again that I can't see him being with anyone, like he needs no one other than death eaters. Pippin: It doesn't have to have been a romantic relationship. My theory is that Delphi was conceived *because* of the prophecy. (We don't know when it was given.) Voldemort wouldn't think that he could die, but he'd found that being deprived of his body was almost as bad as Slughorn had warned him it would be. The prophecy would warn him that it might happen again, indeed that it *would* happen. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfrankiswork at netscape.net Fri Sep 23 23:27:03 2016 From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (dfrankiswork at netscape.net) Date: 23 Sep 2016 16:27:03 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: When was Delphi born/conceived? (Cursed Child spoilers!) In-Reply-To: References: <0a5db2fe-dfbf-dec3-6afd-d6b69d46b04a@cox.net> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193052 Dorothy: While I haven't read the Cursed Child, I also can't see Voldemort with Bella. He seems so dismissive of her other than her being one of his minions. He is so obsessed with becoming alive again that I can't see him being with anyone, like he needs no one other than death eaters. Pippin: It doesn't have to have been a romantic relationship. David: Indeed, pregnancy probably wasn't necessary either. I'm imagining Bellatrix, obsessed with Voldemort, armed with one of his fingernails, a cauldron, and some of her own bodily fluids. If you can't use dark magic to avoid all the interesting bits of reproduction, what good is it? David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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