From renfield1893 at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 12:31:50 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 04:31:50 -0800 Subject: Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald Message-ID: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193240 I know I've voiced plot issues I have with JKr before, but this one keeps bothering me. What made Voldemort think that Grindelwald would know where the elder wand was? I mean why did he even bother going to ask him? It's not like Dumbledore would kick his ass and be like oh btw here's what I'm doing with the wand I just took from you. LOL I.E how the hell would Gellert Grindelwald know? I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Sat Feb 16 21:27:34 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:27:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193241 Granted I would want to read the context again, but did Tom know Dumbledore actually had the wand at that point? Has been a while since I read book 6 and 7. Kare On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I know I've voiced plot issues I have with JKr before, but this one keeps bothering me. What made Voldemort think that Grindelwald would know where the elder wand was? I mean why did he even bother going to ask him? It's not like Dumbledore would kick his ass and be like oh btw here's what I'm doing with the wand I just took from you. LOL I.E how the hell would Gellert Grindelwald know? > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From renfield1893 at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 05:28:01 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 21:28:01 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193242 Well Grindelwald was defeated so you'd think he should. Grindelwald had The Elder Wand. Grindelwald would be usingthat in the duel and Dumbledore took it. I should think it was public knowledge, why would he fight such a duel with an inferior wand after all? But perhaps it wasn't known I just didn't see how. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenclaweric at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 17:12:16 2019 From: ravenclaweric at gmail.com (Eric Oppen) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 11:12:16 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193243 I would love to know how Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, if Grindelwald had the Elder Wand. On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 11:27 PM 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > Well Grindelwald was defeated so you'd think he should. Grindelwald had > The Elder Wand. Grindelwald would be usingthat in the duel and Dumbledore > took it. I should think it was public knowledge, why would he fight such a > duel with an inferior wand after all? But perhaps it wasn't known I just > didn't see how. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-7835098304063086385_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy.mills at btinternet.com Sun Feb 17 18:45:14 2019 From: andy.mills at btinternet.com (Andrew Mills) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 18:45:14 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <64b15782-e24c-83c6-465a-ecda1a389a71@btinternet.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193244 Yes, so would I. It's something I've been wondering about ever since we found out in book 7 what happened with Dumbledore, Grindelwald and the elder wand. Hopefully it's something we'll find out later in the fantastic beasts series. Of course the first time we heard about Dumbledore defeating Grindelwald was in the very first book, it was another snippet of information on the chocolate frog card Harry read on that first day on the train. I'm sure Voldemort must have known about the famous duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald so really don't know why he thought Grindelwald may still have the wand, maybe it was just an excuse to kill somebody else. Mind you, I don't see Voldemort as the type who would eat chocolate frogs! AJM On 17/02/2019 17:12, Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > I would love to know how Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, if > Grindelwald had the Elder Wand. > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 11:27 PM 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail..com > [HPforGrownups] > > > wrote: > > > > Well Grindelwald was defeated so you'd think he should. > Grindelwald had The Elder Wand. Grindelwald would be usingthat in > the duel and Dumbledore took it. I should think it was public > knowledge, why would he fight such a duel with an inferior wand > after all? But perhaps it wasn't known I just didn't see how. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_-7835098304063086385_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From groups at rainbowbrite.net Sun Feb 17 19:30:04 2019 From: groups at rainbowbrite.net (groups at rainbowbrite.net) Date: 17 Feb 2019 19:30:04 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: <64b15782-e24c-83c6-465a-ecda1a389a71@btinternet.com> References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <64b15782-e24c-83c6-465a-ecda1a389a71@btinternet.com> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193245 Grindelwald didn't boast about having the Elder Wand - he learned from the old stories that that was the best way to get yourself killed. He only knew where to look for it because Gregorovitch spread rumors that he had it and was trying to duplicate its properties to improve business. And he got it after he and Dumblefore had their falling out when Ariana was killed, so we don't know when Dumbledore realized he'd found it. This is the only quote we have to go on: "Years passed. There were rumors about him. They said he had procured a wand of immense power." - DH ch 35 I'm sure Dumbledore immediately knew what that meant, but again, he wouldn't want to spread that around. It would make people even more fearful of Grindelwald and take away their hope of defeating him. And we know nothing about the duel as of yet. I cannot wait to see that in the FB movies! Even if I have other problems with them... ?I think he knew it, I think he knew what frightened me. I delayed meeting him until finally, it would have been too shameful to resist any longer. People were dying and he seemed unstoppable, and I had to do what I could. Well, you know what happened next. I won the duel. I won the wand." - DH ch 35 But you do raise a good point that Voldemort should have known that Dumbledore had the wand since he defeated Grindelwald. His trek to talk to Grindelwald was completely unnecessary - though it was enjoyable for the reader. What I would have enjoyed even more would have been a scene of Voldemort reading Grindelwald's mind before killing him. And perhaps he did, but Harry was only able to get snippets of their conversation because of everything that was happening to him and his friends at Malfoy Manor at the time Voldemort was talking to Grindelwald. ~Katy~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From groups at rainbowbrite.net Sat Feb 16 23:20:31 2019 From: groups at rainbowbrite.net (groups at rainbowbrite.net) Date: 16 Feb 2019 23:20:31 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193246 No, he didn't know Dumbledore had it. He'd seen Gregorovitch's memory which showed the young man stealing the wand, and then he found the photograph which identified the young man as Grindelwald. Voldemort visited Grindelwald in prison, and he said he'd never had the Elder Wand. Voldemort didn't believe him, so I guess he went to the next logical place - to the tomb of the person who had defeated Grindelwald, aka Dumbledore. ~Katy~ ---In hpforgrownups at yahoogroups.com, wrote : Granted I would want to read the context again, but did Tom know Dumbledore actually had the wand at that point? Has been a while since I read book 6 and 7. Kare -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Mon Feb 18 12:40:25 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 06:40:25 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193247 I hadn't thought about this aspect consciously, but now I am assuming that Grindelwald didn't *have* the elder wand with him at the time of the duel. That's the only way a duel could be won. (Remember, Harry became master of the elder wand because he defeated Draco when Draco was using his regular wand.) Which leads me to believe that Grindelwald and Dumbledore dueled when Grindelwald was using another wand for some reason or no wand at all. I think Dumbledore knew Grindelwald well enough to guess where he would have hidden the elder wand and found it afterwards. Of course, the FB movies may blow that theory out of the water soon enough. Crescent On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 9:42 PM groups at rainbowbrite.net [HPforGrownups] < HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > No, he didn't know Dumbledore had it. He'd seen Gregorovitch's memory > which showed the young man stealing the wand, and then he found the > photograph which identified the young man as Grindelwald. Voldemort visited > Grindelwald in prison, and he said he'd never had the Elder Wand. Voldemort > didn't believe him, so I guess he went to the next logical place - to the > tomb of the person who had defeated Grindelwald, aka Dumbledore. > > ~Katy~ > > > ---In hpforgrownups at yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Granted I would want to read the context again, but did Tom know > Dumbledore actually had the wand at that point? Has been a while > since I read book 6 and 7. > Kare > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bart at moosewise.com Mon Feb 18 16:06:31 2019 From: bart at moosewise.com (Bart Lidofsky) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:06:31 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193248 On 2/17/2019 12:12 PM, Eric Oppen ravenclaweric at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I would love to know how Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, if > Grindelwald had the Elder Wand. Bart: Assuming that Grindlewald had proper possession of the wand, it was more powerful than any other wand, and it's owner could not be defeated in a duel (unless the owner throws the fight). It has been established that Dumbledore did fight a duel with Grindlewald and defeated him. Therefore. Several possibilities are there: 1) Dumbledore got possession of the wand BEFORE the duel. 2) Dumbledore used trickery rather than power. 3) Dumbledore used the "wand" below his belt (which would be a reason why JKR, apparently without necessity, declared that DD was gay). Some here may recall that after DH was published, I pointed out that at least the Muggle-born might have set up some non-magical death traps for Morty's troops that would kill them before they had a chance to get healed. Bart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foxmoth at qnet.com Mon Feb 18 23:59:28 2019 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com) Date: 18 Feb 2019 15:59:28 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald In-Reply-To: References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193249 art: Assuming that Grindlewald had proper possession of the wand, it was more powerful than any other wand, and it's owner could not be defeated in a duel (unless the owner throws the fight). It has been established that Dumbledore did fight a duel with Grindlewald and defeated him. Therefore. Several possibilities are there: Pippin: The Elder Wand passes to a new owner when its old one is defeated in combat. Since it has changed hands many times, it clearly doesn't make its owner invincible. It is, like all the Hallows, a deadly invitation to hubris. Grindelwald could have been weak and distracted, like Dumbledore, or robbed in his sleep like Gregorovitch, or mistaken about the wand's properties like Voldemort. But my guess is JKR will think up something new. In any case, Voldemort would be foolish to assume that Dumbledore had taken possession of the wand without checking. After all, Voldemort was defeated but Peter kept his wand safe for him. Pippin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 03:50:39 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 19:50:39 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <022101d4c806$47c10ca0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193250 Hi Eric. Interestingly enough as for Dumbledore defeating Grindelwald I always had a theory that the Elder Wand screwed Gellert over somehow. Like it's a bad wand the way the one ring is a bad ring. LOL. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 04:10:08 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 20:10:08 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <037901d4c809$00cf8d50$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193251 Thanks Katy. I'd forgotten some of that, need to reread, just always reading something. LOL. I don't see why Grindelwald would fight Dumbledore without using the elder wand considering the other man's skill, on another note, so still with that in mind, I think that's why I made the assumption that Voldemort should know Dumbledore had it. I guess I thought it out more than Riddle did, haha, but your reasons for his conclusions make sense and it's not the first time he didn't think things out so yeah. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 07:52:07 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:52:07 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <64b15782-e24c-83c6-465a-ecda1a389a71@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <062101d4c828$037bd080$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193252 Another great batch of thoughts, Katy and thanks! Very helpful/you rock. I can't wait for the duel in the movies either. Would really like a longer haired German Grindelwald actor but yeah, screw being accurate Hollywood. LOL. My husband liked the guy who played young Skywalker in the prestarwars earlier movies like in Attack of the Clones I agree. Then an older ver, actor is older now. On Voldemort and Grindelwald I wish Grindelwald had gotten to attack or fight a bit more, he was a great wizard and I bet he knew some wandless spells. If Nurmengard had some sort of magic blocks they didn't seem to stop Voldemort. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 07:55:38 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:55:38 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Wondering what others thinkGrindelwald References: <001401d4c5f3$98105900$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <009801d4c681$8d24d870$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <64b15782-e24c-83c6-465a-ecda1a389a71@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <062e01d4c828$8149ee20$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193253 AJM, LOL at Voldemort not being the sort to eat chocolate frogs. Reminds me of the sisters in Hocus Pocus not liking candy. HAHA. I couldn't picture Voldemort wanting to shag either, though and the stupid cursed child atrocity had him banging Bella which I have problems with for a lot of reasons. I love JKR and the books but really have disrespect for some glaring plot holes in the series that 1. Have no logic what so ever and 2. could've been easily addressed logically were she to have taken 5 min to actually try. I mean. I know she didn't do cursed child but she backed it which I'd not do were someone to tack a trash wanna be fanfic to my work that I knew sucked so yeah, not sure what to think of that. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 11:04:08 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 03:04:08 -0800 Subject: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? Message-ID: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193254 Okay another issue I have/wanted to get other's thoughts because I miss discussions and fb groups are sadly lacking. LOL. So okay I have an issue with Voldemort and Bella but that's another thing. It does tie into my Bella Rod issue, though. I mean they were this cool dark crazy couple then JKR decides to ruin that with the stupid Cursed play and Bella now Shagged Voldie to have this love child, still not clear on when in-between Azkaban but like really? And suddenly her and Rod were never in love but just got married. This bit brings sme to the crux, Horcrux, HAHA of my issue. Like Why did they need to even get married if they weren't chillin' like that? It wasn't the 1600s where they had to and not every wizard did, even the respectable ones. So it's not expected unless the families wanted kids and the 2 never had them. Good as they don't seem proper parent material but yeah. Just seemed like another nice giant hole without logic or reason. Why wouldn't she just proudly be Voldemort's mistress if it was like that and Rod go be with someone who wanted to shag him? Randomly I love Bad Romance by Lady Gaga for Bella and Rod's song, lyrics totally fit, I mean returning to a logical world where they're a dark in love married couple. LOL. I often hear music and think about characters when it fits. I should send my Harry Potter song list, the ones I chose really do kinda fit word for word. Another post, though and I have digressed. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenclaweric at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 16:11:13 2019 From: ravenclaweric at gmail.com (Eric Oppen) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 10:11:13 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193255 A lot of pureblood families are portrayed as very old-fashioned. It could be a case of "oh how I love her/his...family's money! Con-FOUND that Order of the Phoenix! It drives me to...DRINK! *slurpslurpslurpslurpslurpslurpslurp* On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 5:04 AM 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > Okay another issue I have/wanted to get other's thoughts because I miss > discussions and fb groups are sadly lacking. LOL. > So okay I have an issue with Voldemort and Bella but that's another thing. > It does tie into my Bella Rod issue, though. I mean they were this cool > dark crazy couple then JKR decides to ruin that with the stupid Cursed play > and Bella now Shagged Voldie to have this love child, still not clear on > when in-between Azkaban but like really? And suddenly her and Rod were > never in love but just got married. This bit brings sme to the crux, > Horcrux, HAHA of my issue. Like Why did they need to even get married if > they weren't chillin' like that? It wasn't the 1600s where they had to and > not every wizard did, even the respectable ones. So it's not expected > unless the families wanted kids and the 2 never had them. Good as they > don't seem proper parent material but yeah. Just seemed like another nice > giant hole without logic or reason. Why wouldn't she just proudly be > Voldemort's mistress if it was like that and Rod go be with someone who > wanted to shag him? > > > Randomly I love Bad Romance by Lady Gaga for Bella and Rod's song, lyrics > totally fit, I mean returning to a logical world where they're a dark in > love married couple. LOL. I often hear music and think about characters > when it fits. I should send my Harry Potter song list, the ones I chose > really do kinda fit word for word. > Another post, though and I have digressed. > > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-4582387628371604159_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu Feb 21 18:10:46 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:10:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193256 Just a couple of thoughts on this. First, indeed it was like the 1600s. Pureblood families arranging the marriages of their daughters, love or not. This is why Andromeda is disowned, she ran off with ted Tonks instead of the suitable and arranged union appropriate for a black daughter..so no Bella could not simply be Tom's mistress. As for the timing of her daughter's creation, here is my guess. I have considered she was conceived while bella was living with Narcissa after her escape...timing works unless I am off with the math. That assumes she was conceived without using a sex magic ritual of some kind, and we do not now if that was the case. Cursed child is more cannon then the films so... Oh and I agree, thanks for starting discussions here. Just my opinion, Kare On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Okay another issue I have/wanted to get other's thoughts because I miss discussions and fb groups are sadly lacking. LOL. > So okay I have an issue with Voldemort and Bella but that's another thing. It does tie into my Bella Rod issue, though. I mean they were this cool dark crazy couple then JKR decides to ruin that with the stupid Cursed play and Bella now Shagged Voldie to have this love child, still not clear on when in-between Azkaban but like really? And suddenly her and Rod were never in love but just got married. This bit brings sme to the crux, Horcrux, HAHA of my issue. Like Why did they need to even get married if they weren't chillin' like that? It wasn't the 1600s where they had to and not every wizard did, even the respectable ones. So it's not expected unless the families wanted kids and the 2 never had them. Good as they don't seem proper parent material but yeah. Just seemed like another nice giant hole without logic or reason. Why wouldn't she just proudly be Voldemort's mistress if it was like that and Rod go be with someone who wanted to shag him? > > > Randomly I love Bad Romance by Lady Gaga for Bella and Rod's song, lyrics totally fit, I mean returning to a logical world where they're a dark in love married couple. LOL. I often hear music and think about characters when it fits. I should send my Harry Potter song list, the ones I chose really do kinda fit word for word. > Another post, though and I have digressed. > > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From jcutroni at yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 15:05:27 2019 From: jcutroni at yahoo.com (jcutroni at yahoo.com) Date: 21 Feb 2019 15:05:27 +0000 Subject: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193257 What's the Cursed Child play? I don't remember anything about that in my Harry Potter books :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Feb 22 06:07:36 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193258 Harry Potter and the cursed Child parts 1 and 2, is considered the 8th Harry Potter story, its a play not a book. Written by Jack Thorne based on story material directly from JKR it opened first in London a couple of years back and on Broadway last year. Speaking personally, I would love to see it live..well frankly anywhere smiles. Kare On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > What's the Cursed Child play? I don't remember anything about that in my Harry Potter books :) From renfield1893 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 06:49:00 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 22:49:00 -0800 Subject: My list of songs that accurately represent the POV of HP characters Message-ID: <056901d4ca7a$b21098c0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193259 , this is my list of songs and the characters from Harry Potter who would love them or feel represented by them. Beside each is a youtube link to the song, w/lyrics for those who have it. 1. I walk alone by Green Day, Severus Snape.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-slVlpGwbQ 2. In the air tonight, Phil Collins, Kreacher's clap back at Voldemort for the situation with Regulus. Fits word for word.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2XiF8Fabx0 3. Bad Romance, Lady Gaga, Rodolphus and Bellatrix mood music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVnSV6jvraE 4. Fallen Angel, Heather Alexander, Regulus Black's jam once he realizes he messed up. Warning/beautiful yet depressing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvI0QNVTDF4 5. Real Bad Mood, the Marie Sister's, Severus Snape like daily! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NpHlkRh_Y 6. When I ruled the world, Cold Play, Gellert Grindelwald, Nurmengard days.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSyZFxzOLR0 I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. Virus-free. www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 12:59:22 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 04:59:22 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <03d201d4caae$6f116c00$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193260 Good thoughts, but I think I wasn't clear enough. 1. Bellatrix would not have been 'Tom's' Mistress. He was Lord Voldemort by then and overrode dark wizarding society as a king. The dark wizards were the only ones to matter to dark wizards and what The Dark Lord wanted, he got. So I still have a problem seeing them put down for him doing what he wanted. 2. It was said that Voldemort could not love. I mean I guess he could lust but if enough is wrong with him, transfigured, Horcruxed, it's just difficult to swallow. 3. By 1998 he was fugly and pretty mean to his followers, Bellatrix included so not looking romantic there either. And 4. I like the fact you mentioned Bella staying with Narcissa/ the timing there cause Delphini has blonde hair and Luci was out of favor so I'm lesaning toward Narcissa for baby mama really, and she had more reason considering Luci was far out of favor. + Voldemort was crashing there. But then I must contradict myself no matter how disturbingly fitting that picture is and just can't get to Voldemort wanting sex. He was so removed, so nonhuman, so disconnected and I don't think JKR is really thinking...again. Please don't take this as me tearing your thoughts down, they were good and made me think and those were my responses. If you have more lets do it. LOL. I love thinking about this stuff and having list threads! Hugin I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 20:01:56 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:01:56 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <03d201d4caae$6f116c00$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <03d201d4caae$6f116c00$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193261 Personally I don't think Voldie had any interest in an heir because he expected to be immortal. But that's just my take. As for Bella, she was always a bit nuts and therefore would have slept with him even towards the very end. And of course, the pureblood society was still arranging marriages. Not only Bella's, but also Narcisssa's with Lucius. Love was optional and good, but certainly not required. And honestly, if Rudolphus had any sense he would have been happy to let Voldie have Bella. Crescent On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 6:59 AM 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > Good thoughts, but I think I wasn't clear enough. > 1. Bellatrix would not have been 'Tom's' Mistress. He was Lord Voldemort > by then and overrode dark wizarding society as a king. The dark wizards > were the only ones to matter to dark wizards and what The Dark Lord wanted, > he got. So I still have a problem seeing them put down for him doing what > he wanted. > 2. It was said that Voldemort could not love. I mean I guess he could lust > but if enough is wrong with him, transfigured, Horcruxed, it's just > difficult to swallow. > 3. By 1998 he was fugly and pretty mean to his followers, Bellatrix > included so not looking romantic there either. > > And 4. I like the fact you mentioned Bella staying with Narcissa/ the > timing there cause Delphini has blonde hair and Luci was out of favor so > I'm lesaning toward Narcissa for baby mama really, and she had more reason > considering Luci was far out of favor. + Voldemort was crashing there. But > then I must contradict myself no matter how disturbingly fitting that > picture is and just can't get to Voldemort wanting sex. He was so removed, > so nonhuman, so disconnected and I don't think JKR is really > thinking...again. > Please don't take this as me tearing your thoughts down, they were good > and made me think and those were my responses. If you have more lets do it. > LOL. I love thinking about this stuff and having list threads! > Hugin > > > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1341837312295039616_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 20:03:43 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:03:43 -0600 Subject: [HPforGrownups] My list of songs that accurately represent the POV of HP characters In-Reply-To: <056901d4ca7a$b21098c0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <056901d4ca7a$b21098c0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193262 These are great! I'm listening to them as I go through all my email and they are really powerful. Accurate for the most part as well. Crescent On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 12:49 AM 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > , this is my list of songs and the characters from Harry Potter who would > love them or feel represented by them. > > Beside each is a youtube link to the song, w/lyrics for those who have it. > > 1. I walk alone by Green Day, Severus Snape. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-slVlpGwbQ > > > 2. In the air tonight, Phil Collins, Kreacher's clap back at Voldemort for > the situation with Regulus. Fits word for word. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2XiF8Fabx0 > > 3. Bad Romance, Lady Gaga, Rodolphus and Bellatrix mood music. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVnSV6jvraE > > > > > 4. Fallen Angel, Heather Alexander, Regulus Black's jam once he realizes > he messed up. Warning/beautiful yet depressing. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvI0QNVTDF4 > 5. Real Bad Mood, the Marie Sister's, Severus Snape like daily! > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NpHlkRh_Y > > > 6. When I ruled the world, Cold Play, Gellert Grindelwald, Nurmengard days. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSyZFxzOLR0 > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_1355153813668630865_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 09:27:57 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 01:27:57 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <03d201d4caae$6f116c00$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <025201d4cb5a$10448c50$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193263 I agree that Voldemort wouldn't have been interested in an heir due to believing he'd bee immortal. Not one to share either, so excellent point but for me sorta cements my he'd not shag pov. I mean he sort of let go of his humanity, focused/obsessed over other things, seemed to display no sexual emotions. I think JKR just wanted to couple up too much and I haven't liked a single one to be honest and haven't though a single one made sense or was well thought out. I mean 2 nice people won't necessarily make a great couple just because they're nice and 2 villains or crazy people wouldn't make a great couple on that alone. I honestly think JKR was a bit perverted at times and I know a lot of crazy people who won't shag anything that moves or their idol. LOL. Bella seemed more interested in killing and torture and Voldemort in power and immortality and twisting himself as far past humanity as he could get so yeah. Not much time for that. I was just surprised at how many people never thought about that for what ever reason. I honestly don't think JKR did either until she felt the need for Cursed play or whatever. I mean didn't she offend all the fans enough with all the unnecessary deaths in the 7 books? LOL. I do love fantastic beasts thus far, though. I hope it stays that way. I loved the first HP books too so yeah. Hugin I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From iam.kemper at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 21:06:28 2019 From: iam.kemper at gmail.com (iam.kemper at gmail.com) Date: 24 Feb 2019 21:06:28 +0000 Subject: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193266 I'm mostly annoyed with that whole thing cuz I view Tom as asexual not that he wouldn't have used charm/manipulation on those boys and girls and men and women who crushed out on him cuz obviously. But since what transpired is the canon... I can see Bellatrix being in a marriage of Pure Blood convenience OR in an open marriage. Or maybe she was just Rodulphus' beard. idk Kemper From renfield1893 at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 06:47:02 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:47:02 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193267 Yea for seeing Tom as A sexual. And yes him using his charm on anyone crushing on him until he returned in Potter's time as fugly I totally get too. Logical. And canon...I don't think so. JKR didn't write Cursed play after all, and a lot of people don't consider it canon. I sort of see it is pissing on our Potterlove it was so bad. Randomly like Hocus Pocus 2 the book, also bad writing. I mean I've seen fanfics on both tahth were way better and don't see how either were allowed. What's Hocus Pocus got to do with it? Just both magic and both should've been left alone. LOL. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Mon Feb 25 18:25:39 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:25:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193268 Rowling considers Cursed child to be cannon, her name is on the plays, the books state that it is the eight story in the harry Potter series...how much more does a work need to be cannon? i find the asexual concept of Tom to be an interesting idea as well truth be told. granted we are discussing a children series, with torment described as largely pain, with other things like sexual assault vaguely hinted. Still, Bella would believe providing the dark Lord with an heir as proving her devotion, given the weight heirs carry among the Purebloods. an asexual tom certainly puts a dent in all those fanfiction slash works pairing him with Harry though. Kare On Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Yea for seeing Tom as A sexual. And yes him using his charm on anyone crushing on him until he returned in Potter's time as fugly I totally get too. Logical. And canon...I don't think so. JKR didn't write Cursed play after all, and a lot of people don't consider it canon. I sort of see it is pissing on our Potterlove it was so bad. Randomly like Hocus Pocus 2 the book, also bad writing. I mean I've seen fanfics on both tahth were way better and don't see how either were allowed. What's Hocus Pocus got to do with it? Just both magic and both should've been left alone. LOL. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From renfield1893 at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 05:45:43 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 21:45:43 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <00eb01d4cd96$83b08840$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193269 For me what more does a work need to be canon is maybe the author writing it. And JKR switches up her own canon on twitter daily saying how she sees things that contradict directly the way she saw it last week. LOL. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Tue Feb 26 06:42:01 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 01:42:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <00eb01d4cd96$83b08840$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <00eb01d4cd96$83b08840$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193270 by your definition then the films are not cannon either, or only the ones Rowling is writing? I personally do not consider the first 8 films to be cannon. besides, we do not know what from a story by jKR means. i respect your desire to define cannon as you might, I dare say rather a few do not want to consider parts of book 7 to be cannon, but twitter is not cannon either laughs. Kare On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > For me what more does a work need to be canon is maybe the author writing it. And JKR switches up her own canon on twitter daily saying how she sees things that contradict directly the way she saw it last week. LOL. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From iam.kemper at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 01:26:24 2019 From: iam.kemper at gmail.com (iam.kemper at gmail.com) Date: 27 Feb 2019 01:26:24 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193271 I cannot stand fic slashing Harry/Voldemort... unless it's some sort of young Tom then fine. Or a super grownup Harry then also sure. I guess my thing with Voldemort besides him being obviously asexual :D is that it would seem OOC of him to WANT an heir. Cuz he's gonna live for ever motherfu....ers!!! Like, he would not want anyone usurping him like I'm sure he knew an heir might. That's just my read of him, anyway. ymmv :) Kemper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iam.kemper at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 01:42:59 2019 From: iam.kemper at gmail.com (iam.kemper at gmail.com) Date: 27 Feb 2019 01:42:59 +0000 Subject: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <00eb01d4cd96$83b08840$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193272 I agree that only the books are canon and not the movies which are an ADAPTION of the canon and mostly shit. I also agree that anything she says at a conference or in a tweet about the story is NOT canon. Rather, that's just HER head canon. I do consider the Pottormore site's story's canon cuz obviously. And while the Cursed Child wasnt written by her, it is canon cuz she cosigned it. For me, it's like the Star Wars canon. There was originally only one creator, then Kasdan, then a bunch of others in books and comics, then the Prequel Trilogy, then other books and comics, then The Clone Wars and then Disney bought the property, the story, and said that all the of the previous books and all but one storyline of the comics is not longer canon. POOF. So now, the canon is whoever Disney gets to create their Star Wars content (WHICH I LOVE BTW!) I wish JKR would allow more storytellers to expand her world like she did with The Cursed Child. Kemper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ibid11962 at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 19:56:07 2019 From: ibid11962 at gmail.com (Ibid 11962) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:56:07 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193273 > how much more does a work need to be cannon? It needs to be written by Rowling. That's literally the only thing that matters and Jack Thorne isn't JKR. 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Kare On Tue, 27 Feb 2019, iam.kemper at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I agree that only the books are canon and not the movies which are an ADAPTION of the canon and mostly shit. I also agree that anything she says at a conference or in a tweet about the story is NOT canon. Rather, that's just HER head canon. I do consider the Pottormore site's story's canon cuz obviously. > > > And while the Cursed Child wasnt written by her, it is canon cuz she cosigned it. For me, it's like the Star Wars canon. There was originally only one creator, then Kasdan, then a bunch of others in books and comics, then the Prequel Trilogy, then other books and comics, then The Clone Wars and then Disney bought the property, the story, and said that all the of the previous books and all but one storyline of the comics is not longer canon. POOF. > So now, the canon is whoever Disney gets to create their Star Wars content (WHICH I LOVE BTW!) > I wish JKR would allow more storytellers to expand her world like she did with The Cursed Child. > > > > > Kemper > > From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Feb 27 04:12:18 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 23:12:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193275 Do you own a copy of cursed child? If you can visit Amazon, Rowling is listed as one of the three authors. The publisher's description states clearly that it is the eighth potter work. what makes the films, at least the ones not penned by ROWLING herself, not cannon is the fact that there are many things in the films which contradict cannon itself. Rowling shares some comments on those hings in her interviews. truth be told, that might be slightly why she took on writing the fantastic east screenplays herself, each of which gets published like a Potter book as well. Just my take, Kare On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, Ibid 11962 ibid11962 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: >> how much more does a work need to be cannon? > > It needs to be written by Rowling. That's literally the only thing that > matters and Jack Thorne isn't JKR. (If her just being "involved" of having > "story credit" was enough than the movies would be canon as well.) > From renfield1893 at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 06:33:36 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 22:33:36 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: Message-ID: <026a01d4ce66$5ef33450$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193276 Agreed, Cursed play isn't canon. I thought JKR had far more to do with the movie plots, though, is that not true? I mean they have her usual plot holes but yeah... I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 06:49:59 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 22:49:59 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: <040301d4c9d5$2b2e5220$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <021d01d4ccd5$ea1f57d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <039601d4ce68$a8a14950$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193277 Yes,Kemper! Agreed on your Voldemort thoughts and that's one of the things I hated most about the cursed child rather than the entire thing was Bellatrix and Voldemort. I think the author did one thing very much like JKR. Bad couplings. Very very bad, but just my pov. Amused myself writing a fan fic called bad romance basically making a joke of cursed child via Bella/Rod. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ibid11962 at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 09:31:08 2019 From: ibid11962 at gmail.com (Ibid 11962) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:31:08 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193278 I checked there's just one listed author, Jack Thorne. Rowling is given partial credit for the "story" that the play is based on, but not the play itself. I've looked a lot but I can't find a single credible source giving her any actual author credit. Everything I see just says: >Based on an original story by JK Rowling, John Tiffany, and Jack Thorne >A new play by Jack Thorne Or something else along those lines, with three people sharing story credit, but only Jack Thorne as the author. I would think this would make the play slightly less canon than the films. The films are scripts written by others based off of stories where she has full credit. This is a script written by others based on a story where she only has partial credit. And the fact that multiple interviews talk about Rowling only joining the project after it was already in development seem to imply that this definitely wasn't her idea. The Cursed Child also has a ton of things that contradict canon, perhaps as much as the movies. And despite the marketing slogan about this being the "8th story", Rowling herself has indicated that she does not consider it to be Book 8. She once corrected someone on twitter who called it that, and several months after the play opened she gave a speech at a special Lumos screening of the first Fantastic Beasts film where she emphasized that there will never be an 8th Harry Potter book. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iam.kemper at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 15:48:21 2019 From: iam.kemper at gmail.com (iam.kemper at gmail.com) Date: 27 Feb 2019 07:48:21 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193279 The play is the ORIGINAL story that was entered into the canon and not an adaptation like the movies. That's why, like it or not, the play is canon. Now you can always have different worlds of canon. Unlike Star Wars, Marvel splits its canon between movies (Sony and MCU and some other studio? I forget) and within its comics (Ultimate and too many to list and also retcons.) I mean, that's not happening with Potter yet, but I don't see why that can't be you own head canon even if it's not actually canon-canon. My two knuts anyway Kemper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 22:21:09 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 14:21:09 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? References: Message-ID: <005a01d4ceea$bdce25a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193280 Well it depends on what you consider canon and many many many people stick with the books for that and books aren't a play. They are not. There are 7 HP books. JKR's Harry Potter books are not the cursed child, fact. So she can call it canon all she wants but those who made her rich don't really really respect that for the most part. It's just like she's king and made a new law and the people call bullshit. LOL. In other words calling the play canon may be legal' as it were, cause JKR said so but it doesn't make it really true cause again she didn't write it. She merely gave someone else permission to screw up her world for more money because she admitted on a talk show she never feels secure no matter how insanely rich she is. Headcase. LOL. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Feb 27 22:34:32 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 17:34:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: <005a01d4ceea$bdce25a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <005a01d4ceea$bdce25a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193281 I am curious your fact objective source when the publisher edition of cursed child with Rowling's name included, says on its cover that it is the 8th Harry Potter book. Where are you finding factual information to counter the publication itself? I do not follow the really rich comment rooted in objective information either. Some may dislike the story, but some including me, did not like Sirius dying either...but its still Cannon. Kare On Wed, 27 Feb 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Well it depends on what you consider canon and many many many people stick with the books for that and books aren't a play. They are not. There are 7 HP books. JKR's Harry Potter books are not the cursed child, fact. So she can call it canon all she wants but those who made her rich don't really really respect that for the most part. It's just like she's king and made a new law and the people call bullshit. LOL. In other words calling the play canon may be legal' as it were, cause JKR said so but it doesn't make it really true cause again she didn't write it. She merely gave someone else permission to screw up her world for more money because she admitted on a talk show she never feels secure no matter how insanely rich she is. Headcase. LOL. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From iam.kemper at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 23:07:37 2019 From: iam.kemper at gmail.com (iam.kemper at gmail.com) Date: 27 Feb 2019 23:07:37 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: <005a01d4ceea$bdce25a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193282 I agree with Karen. Not liking a piece of canon does not make it any less canon, nor does a narrow definition of the original creator being the main writer or sole writer in a property as it relates in today's era and ignoring Biblical canon. What if the play was the most amazing Harry Potter thing ever but JKR didn't write it and even tho it was still part of the IP, would the discussion on canon being taken place? Kemper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu Feb 28 02:30:08 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:30:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bellatrix and Rodolphus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193283 Actually you should read further as to who has full credit. Here is what appears on my copy. Harry Potter and the Cursed Child: Parts One and Two (Special Rehearsal Edition) John Tiffany Jack Thorne J. K. Rowling BASED ON AN ORIGINAL NEW STORY BY J. K. Rowling, JOHN TIFFANY & JACK THORNE Text ?? 2016 by Harry Potter Theatrical Productions Limited Harry Potter Publishing and Theatrical rights ?? J. K. Rowling So, all the rights belong to Rowling, which would not be the case if she were not considered equal with Thorne here. If Rowling did not consider the play to be partly hers, she would not hold the rights to the work. Granted I do not believe the screenplays for the first 8 films were even published. still, Rowling does not have a credit on any of them. Unlike the Fantastic beast films whose screenplays are published just like Cursed Child. Kare On Wed, 27 Feb 2019, Ibid 11962 ibid11962 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I checked there's just one listed author, Jack Thorne. > > Rowling is given partial credit for the "story" that the play is based on, > but not the play itself. I've looked a lot but I can't find a single > credible source giving her any actual author credit. > > Everything I see just says: > >> Based on an original story by JK Rowling, John Tiffany, and Jack Thorne >> A new play by Jack Thorne > > Or something else along those lines, with three people sharing story > credit, but only Jack Thorne as the author. > > I would think this would make the play slightly less canon than the films. > The films are scripts written by others based off of stories where she has > full credit. This is a script written by others based on a story where she > only has partial credit. > > And the fact that multiple interviews talk about Rowling only joining the > project after it was already in development seem to imply that this > definitely wasn't her idea. > > The Cursed Child also has a ton of things that contradict canon, perhaps as > much as the movies. > > And despite the marketing slogan about this being the "8th story", Rowling > herself has indicated that she does not consider it to be Book 8. She once > corrected someone on twitter who called it that, and several months after > the play opened she gave a speech at a special Lumos screening of the first > Fantastic Beasts film where she emphasized that there will never be an 8th > Harry Potter book. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]