From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed May 1 03:13:19 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 23:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193310 wait, If you are referring to the fantastic beast films, JK r wrote the screenplays. making them more authentic technically than any of the hp films themselves. As for cursed child, it too was written with Rowling contributing to the final product. For a moment I thought you might be speaking of the expanded stories pottermore is producing and selling. Still if Rowling is writing the work herself as with all of the fantastic beast films, what makes that less than genuine? Kare On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Hey all, I'm very partial to the books, as many people are...what is everyone's opinions on the expanded stories that have been done and continue, such as the Cursed Child parts 1 & 2, and the Fantastic Beast movies? > > > To me, they don't feel nearly as part of the story because they were/are created as we go along. Personally, Cursed Child felt like fan fiction, and Fantastic Beasts, because there wasn't much backstory written by Jo Rowling, just doesn't feel as authentic...maybe because they aren't based off of the books. If Jo had written an entire, detailed backstory about Newt Scamander, then I'd probably feel better about the movies. > > > What's your opinion? > > > > > From jcutroni at yahoo.com Wed May 1 14:47:17 2019 From: jcutroni at yahoo.com (jcutroni at yahoo.com) Date: 01 May 2019 07:47:17 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193311 I understand that Jo is writing the Fantastic Beast screenplays, and maybe I shouldn't have phrased things as not feeling nearly as part of the story...what I probably should have said was that I wish she had written a book or a series of books about Fantastic Beasts before writing the screenplay for movies...doing movies based on a very short story within the HP story just feels forced...the Cursed Child script also felt forced and quite honestly, unnecessary IMO. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Wed May 1 20:08:38 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 15:08:38 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193312 I agree that the Fantastic Beasts should have been written as a book or series of books before going on to become screenplays. This method makes it feel as if they are filling in as they go almost randomly and feels very unreal/unbelievable. Alas, we have no control over this. Crescent On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 10:25 AM jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] < HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I understand that Jo is writing the Fantastic Beast screenplays, and maybe > I shouldn't have phrased things as not feeling nearly as part of the > story...what I probably should have said was that I wish she had written a > book or a series of books about Fantastic Beasts before writing the > screenplay for movies...doing movies based on a very short story within the > HP story just feels forced...the Cursed Child script also felt forced and > quite honestly, unnecessary IMO. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed May 1 22:54:00 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 18:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193313 Rowling wrote the book fantastic beast and where to find them, with an introduction by albus Dumbledore long before the films. In fact some editions of the book, have notes from Harry Ron etc,. in them. The screenplays are themselves books. published to indeed enhance the story she is telling. Both have Rowling's name on them, in paper form, like the books themselves. I am unsure what you are expressing here. I suppose you likewise dislike Quidditch through the ages and the tales book as well? Karen On Wed, 1 May 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I understand that Jo is writing the Fantastic Beast screenplays, and maybe I shouldn't have phrased things as not feeling nearly as part of the story...what I probably should have said was that I wish she had written a book or a series of books about Fantastic Beasts before writing the screenplay for movies...doing movies based on a very short story within the HP story just feels forced...the Cursed Child script also felt forced and quite honestly, unnecessary IMO. > > > From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed May 1 23:04:56 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 19:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193314 But it was, its a text book. The thing is that Rowling sought more ways to tell the stories, which is part of why she personally insisted no films would be made without her words. There are no book editions to my knowledge of the prior films for example. Rowling publishes her screenplays as books to mirror the novels, still in book form still reading largely like prose, still Rowling. Kare On Wed, 1 May 2019, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I agree that the Fantastic Beasts should have been written as a book or > series of books before going on to become screenplays. This method makes it > feel as if they are filling in as they go almost randomly and feels very > unreal/unbelievable. > > Alas, we have no control over this. > > Crescent > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 10:25 AM jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] < > HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I understand that Jo is writing the Fantastic Beast screenplays, and maybe >> I shouldn't have phrased things as not feeling nearly as part of the >> story...what I probably should have said was that I wish she had written a >> book or a series of books about Fantastic Beasts before writing the >> screenplay for movies...doing movies based on a very short story within the >> HP story just feels forced...the Cursed Child script also felt forced and >> quite honestly, unnecessary IMO. >> >> >> >> >> > From cresorchid at gmail.com Wed May 1 23:17:18 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 18:17:18 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193315 I don't dislike any of the books, but I don't think of them as full-length features like the 7-book series. They are very short and don't cover the material in the movies?at least not much of it. In fact, I liked Quidditch Through the Ages and Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them?but was quite disappointed that they were so short. And screenplays aren't the same as stories. In fact, they seem to be evidence that she didn't write the story before it became a play/movie. Which is certainly her choice as author/owner of the series, but not as satisfying to me personally. Crescent On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 5:54 PM Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > Rowling wrote the book fantastic beast and where to find them, with an > introduction by albus Dumbledore long before the films. > In fact some editions of the book, have notes from Harry Ron etc,. in > them. > The screenplays are themselves books. published to indeed enhance the > story she is telling. Both have Rowling's name on them, in paper form, > like the books themselves. I am unsure what you are expressing here. > I suppose you likewise dislike Quidditch through the ages and the tales > book as well? > > > Karen > > On Wed, 1 May 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > I understand that Jo is writing the Fantastic Beast screenplays, and > maybe I shouldn't have phrased things as not feeling nearly as part of the > story...what I probably should have said was that I wish she had written a > book or a series of books about Fantastic Beasts before writing the > screenplay for movies...doing movies based on a very short story within the > HP story just feels forced...the Cursed Child script also felt forced and > quite honestly, unnecessary IMO. > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu May 2 00:32:44 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 20:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193316 i can respect that perspective. Perhaps I view screenplays differently as they are a part of my professional industry. Still, I would personally love to see the evidence that Jo wrote nothing story wise before the fantastic beast books became screenplays. I ask because technically that would not be possible for Rowling, she is the source for Potter in general. She is not adapting these screenplays from another story, all the work is hers. Contrast that with all 8 Potter films, every one of those is adapted, often not especially richly, from the HP books themselves. More than once when reading a review of the first Fantastic beast movie critics commented out how much better some of the potter films would have been with Her words instead of what was done in those screenplays. The screenplays are allot longer than those shorter books to be sure, but again I am likely more comfortable with that sort of storytelling. there would be no Fantastic Beast film series without JKR's screenplays. Now one might take issue with those chosen to embody the characters on camera, but the words exist in printed form telling this story before anything gets filmed at all. Kare On Wed, 1 May 2019, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I don't dislike any of the books, but I don't think of them as full-length > features like the 7-book series. They are very short and don't cover the > material in the movies???at least not much of it. In fact, I liked Quidditch > Through the Ages and Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them???but was quite > disappointed that they were so short. > > And screenplays aren't the same as stories. In fact, they seem to be > evidence that she didn't write the story before it became a play/movie. > Which is certainly her choice as author/owner of the series, but not as > satisfying to me personally. > > Crescent > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 5:54 PM Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net > [HPforGrownups] wrote: > >> >> >> Rowling wrote the book fantastic beast and where to find them, with an >> introduction by albus Dumbledore long before the films. >> In fact some editions of the book, have notes from Harry Ron etc,. in >> them. >> The screenplays are themselves books. published to indeed enhance the >> story she is telling. Both have Rowling's name on them, in paper form, >> like the books themselves. I am unsure what you are expressing here. >> I suppose you likewise dislike Quidditch through the ages and the tales >> book as well? >> >> >> Karen >> >> On Wed, 1 May 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: >> >>> I understand that Jo is writing the Fantastic Beast screenplays, and >> maybe I shouldn't have phrased things as not feeling nearly as part of the >> story...what I probably should have said was that I wish she had written a >> book or a series of books about Fantastic Beasts before writing the >> screenplay for movies...doing movies based on a very short story within the >> HP story just feels forced...the Cursed Child script also felt forced and >> quite honestly, unnecessary IMO. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From renfield1893 at gmail.com Thu May 2 04:40:09 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 21:40:09 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories References: Message-ID: <047a01d500a1$1fae29e0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193317 I am eager to read them, actually. I think I don't mind so much because though I love the Potter world and what JKR did, I see a ton of plot holes and oc issues in her books. Like if I didn't I may mind the plays more but as it's for me as my friend Tim would say 6 of one half a dozen of the other. You work with screen plays, Kare? Do tell sounds very interesting. Hugin I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. From renfield1893 at gmail.com Thu May 2 06:41:16 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 23:41:16 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories References: Message-ID: <01d301d500b2$0b66e8d0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193318 I am going to sound ignorant here in advance, sorry but what's cursed child 2? I mean I hated one so tried to avoid. LOL I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From andy.mills at btinternet.com Thu May 2 07:08:12 2019 From: andy.mills at btinternet.com (Andrew Mills) Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 08:08:12 +0100 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: <01f401d500b2$2d3ae1f0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <01f401d500b2$2d3ae1f0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <2f8bf23a-4b63-40df-d671-6b578ea10b9f@btinternet.com> No: HPFGUIDX 193320 That one is being discussed a lot online. Think it's something we'd all like to know but at the moment nobody really seems to be able to explain it for certain. Hopefully we will find out the reasons later. Hoping it doesn't turn out to be something to do with time travel though! AJM On 02/05/2019 07:42, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > Anyone know why Minerva was in fantastic beasts when she wasn't > supposed to have been born yet? 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From jcutroni at yahoo.com Thu May 2 17:27:19 2019 From: jcutroni at yahoo.com (jcutroni at yahoo.com) Date: 02 May 2019 10:27:19 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193323 This is what I was talking about when I posted the original message - it feels like the story is just being filled in and the go along, which is way different that was Jo outlined (and wrote to some extent) for the books. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Sat May 4 13:00:34 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 09:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193324 Again, I am afraid I do not understand the comment. Jo is writing these works. Therefore Jo is outlining the stories in order to write these works...assuming she used an outline for the books. In fact there are five outlines for the fantastic beast screenplays, five screenplays for the films to come. So, can you clarify or document objectively that Jo is using a different writing process then she did before? What has she said that she is doing differently to build this world then she did the first time? You can claim that you do not personally like the works, but claiming that they are neither cannon or well constructed with basis seems harder. Kare On Thu, 2 May 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > This is what I was talking about when I posted the original message - it feels like the story is just being filled in and the go along, which is way different that was Jo outlined (and wrote to some extent) for the books. > > Joe > From cresorchid at gmail.com Sat May 4 17:51:42 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 12:51:42 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193325 I don't know what others mean, but I feel as though she never really thought out the Fantastic Beasts movie series while writing the original series. She came back to do so because HP has been such a tremendous hit. Which is fine. But it *feels *different. When she began the original HP series, she had a rough outline of all the major points from the beginning. I don't believe she had in mind the history of Grindelwald and that whole phase of wizarding world history, much less the particulars for specific people beyond Dumbledore versus Grindelwald, and that they had started out as friends, possibly (likely) even lovers. So going back, she is trying to create a feeling of continuity, of tying the two series together through certain characters and from asides that occurred in the original series referring back to this time period. But it doesn't fit as well. She also put so much time, energy, and soul into the original series that it is hard, if not impossible, to live up to the original. Or maybe we expect even more of her now and our expectations are unrealistic (which is a distinct possibility). But even if it is our impossible expectations, it doesn't make the experience we have watching the movies the same as it was for many of us first reading the original series in books. Crescent On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:00 AM Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > Again, I am afraid I do not understand the comment. > Jo is writing these works. Therefore Jo is outlining the stories in > order to write these works...assuming she used an outline for the books. > In fact there are five outlines for the fantastic beast screenplays, five > screenplays for the films to come. > So, can you clarify or document objectively that Jo is using a different > writing process then she did before? > What has she said that she is doing differently to build this world then > she did the first time? > You can claim that you do not personally like the works, but claiming that > they are neither cannon or well constructed with basis seems harder. > > Kare > > On Thu, 2 May 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > This is what I was talking about when I posted the original message - it > feels like the story is just being filled in and the go along, which is way > different that was Jo outlined (and wrote to some extent) for the books. > > > > Joe > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Sat May 4 18:55:15 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 14:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193326 Now...this I understand. Indeed Rowling did not fill out the fantastic beast universe in the books, almost no reference to magical anything in North America for example. Although we get some elements in the whole life and lies of Albus Dumbledore story, of his relationships. I recall Rowling saying more than once that Harry walked into her head fully formed etc. Actually, does anyone remember if there was a magical theory textbook, I recall it from a list, but no magical theory classes. Anyway, the head of Warner Brothers is the one who talked Rowling into the fantastic beasts films, with my honestly feeling she hopes to bridge the gap between the movies and her print preferring audiences with the book editions of the screenplays, she even uses an illustrator for them. *however* as you wisely point out here, not only is that sort of hard to do, we have the amazing book series where we engaged in using our imaginations, so trying to create the same experience after 8 films that did not reflect the books in a quality way much of the time, using a screenplay presents challenges for lots of people. I respect that Rowling likely wanted to find a different method of telling these stories, instead of just writing more books, but I can respect how for some the continuity is just not the same. Kare On Sat, 4 May 2019, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I don't know what others mean, but I feel as though she never really > thought out the Fantastic Beasts movie series while writing the original > series. She came back to do so because HP has been such a tremendous hit. > Which is fine. But it *feels *different. > > When she began the original HP series, she had a rough outline of all the > major points from the beginning. I don't believe she had in mind the > history of Grindelwald and that whole phase of wizarding world history, > much less the particulars for specific people beyond Dumbledore versus > Grindelwald, and that they had started out as friends, possibly (likely) > even lovers. So going back, she is trying to create a feeling of > continuity, of tying the two series together through certain characters and > from asides that occurred in the original series referring back to this > time period. But it doesn't fit as well. > > She also put so much time, energy, and soul into the original series that > it is hard, if not impossible, to live up to the original. Or maybe we > expect even more of her now and our expectations are unrealistic (which is > a distinct possibility). But even if it is our impossible expectations, it > doesn't make the experience we have watching the movies the same as it was > for many of us first reading the original series in books. > > Crescent > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 8:00 AM Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net > [HPforGrownups] wrote: > >> >> >> Again, I am afraid I do not understand the comment. >> Jo is writing these works. Therefore Jo is outlining the stories in >> order to write these works...assuming she used an outline for the books. >> In fact there are five outlines for the fantastic beast screenplays, five >> screenplays for the films to come. >> So, can you clarify or document objectively that Jo is using a different >> writing process then she did before? >> What has she said that she is doing differently to build this world then >> she did the first time? >> You can claim that you do not personally like the works, but claiming that >> they are neither cannon or well constructed with basis seems harder. >> >> Kare >> >> On Thu, 2 May 2019, jcutroni at yahoo.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: >> >>> This is what I was talking about when I posted the original message - it >> feels like the story is just being filled in and the go along, which is way >> different that was Jo outlined (and wrote to some extent) for the books. >>> >>> Joe >>> >> >> > From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun May 5 03:07:00 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 23:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193327 All this discussion of fantastic beasts, and crimes motivated me to read the second screenplay again. For the record, the author's about in the back of the screenplay states that Rowling collaborated with Thorne and Tiffany to create cursed child...so that is firmly clear. Still the book editions of the screenplays read a bit better to me, at least than the rehearsal edition of cursed child. The companion books, Quidditch through the ages etc., are short because they were written for charity, not for large scale storytelling. Speaking personally? I would almost read the screenplay before viewing the film because as written the continuity makes more sense on the printed page, including Dumbledore's second brother. depp's casting does the film no favors, and I can imagine people getting distracted from the story quality because of him alone. Just my take though, Kare From renfield1893 at gmail.com Sun May 5 07:33:06 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 00:33:06 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories References: Message-ID: <00b101d50314$c8113da0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193328 I so agree about reading any screen play or book before seeing the movie. This probably sounds nuts but I didn't like Halloween, the horror series until reading the novelisations. Then I understood a lot more and got a lot more out of it. I so agree Depp is just not needing to be there. I like the young Darth Vader actor before he was Vader for Grindelwald if we go with book description honestly + a German accent would be cool. Just saying. LOL. JKR may have helped with the co-writing but I guess to me it should stay hers and not just have some of her touches, we have no idea how much she helped or just approved or adjusted. I don't know, no one knows, but cursed child was just way different than the HP books like they're more fantasy mystery and cursed play was more fantasy adventure wild storytelling. LOL. An entirely new flavor. Like giving me a crunch bar and telling me it's a chocolate chip cookie when it's not. For those who read the classics like Gone with the Wind VS Scarlet, the later which was written way later and by another entirely different author after the first was dead. Not the same situation but really feels like it. Hugin I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cresorchid at gmail.com Sun May 5 13:55:05 2019 From: cresorchid at gmail.com (Sandra Lynn) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 08:55:05 -0500 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193329 I agree that it is easier to keep track of things when reading. You can go as quickly or as slowly as you like to make sure you get everything out of it?which is definitely not the case with a movie, or a play. And I had totally forgotten about the extra brother. Either that or I totally missed it when I watched the movie.... Which goes to show our point. Crescent On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:07 PM Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > > All this discussion of fantastic beasts, and crimes motivated me to read > the second screenplay again. > For the record, the author's about in the back of the screenplay states > that Rowling collaborated with Thorne and Tiffany to create cursed > child...so that is firmly clear. > Still the book editions of the screenplays read a bit better to me, at > least than the rehearsal edition of cursed child. > The companion books, Quidditch through the ages etc., are short because > they were written for charity, not for large scale storytelling. > Speaking personally? I would almost read the screenplay before viewing > the film because as written the continuity makes more sense on the > printed page, including Dumbledore's second brother. > depp's casting does the film no favors, and I can imagine people getting > distracted from the story quality because of him alone. > Just my take though, > Kare > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun May 5 20:07:06 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 16:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193330 In the introduction David yates the director says he read the screenplay for crimes more than two years beforehand. meaning the words the storytelling painted what sold him. Besides, speaking personally part of my brain is looking at depp and thinking..how could the cast him so wrong and Law as Dumbledore so perfectly? As for the Rowling-Thorne-Tiffany collaboration that is Cursed Child, my understanding is the play must be experienced live. The magic is in the production more than on the page, terrific lines not withstanding. Kare On Sun, 5 May 2019, Sandra Lynn cresorchid at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > I agree that it is easier to keep track of things when reading. You can go > as quickly or as slowly as you like to make sure you get everything out of > it???which is definitely not the case with a movie, or a play. And I had > totally forgotten about the extra brother. Either that or I totally missed > it when I watched the movie.... Which goes to show our point. > > Crescent > > On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 10:07 PM Karen Lewellen klewellen at shellworld.net > [HPforGrownups] wrote: > >> >> >> All this discussion of fantastic beasts, and crimes motivated me to read >> the second screenplay again. >> For the record, the author's about in the back of the screenplay states >> that Rowling collaborated with Thorne and Tiffany to create cursed >> child...so that is firmly clear. >> Still the book editions of the screenplays read a bit better to me, at >> least than the rehearsal edition of cursed child. >> The companion books, Quidditch through the ages etc., are short because >> they were written for charity, not for large scale storytelling. >> Speaking personally? I would almost read the screenplay before viewing >> the film because as written the continuity makes more sense on the >> printed page, including Dumbledore's second brother. >> depp's casting does the film no favors, and I can imagine people getting >> distracted from the story quality because of him alone. >> Just my take though, >> Kare >> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From renfield1893 at gmail.com Mon May 6 01:18:22 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 18:18:22 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories References: Message-ID: <003c01d503a9$993a5170$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193331 Extra brother I assumed was Gellert lying to the kid to motivate him. Gullible kid desperate for family and easy to manipulate. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Mon May 6 01:33:03 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 18:33:03 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories References: Message-ID: <009d01d503ab$a67257a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193332 Yes Depp melts my mind to this day and totally ruins the Grindelwald experience I need to know what they were thinking. LOL. Maybe one of them was his bff and he really needed work, though just can't imagine. As for Cursed play I can't imagine it being better in person cause non-canon poor plottage is just that and excellent acting can't make it feel more like classic hp. But that's my pov and if others enjoy it I'm not bashing them. Gotta get the HP joy on where you can. I can say, though, it reminds me of when I had some favorite t.v shows go away and the writers said they wanted to stop while it was still good. Seinnfeld being a perfect example. I'm mentally yelling BUT IT'S GREAT, HOW CAN YOU RUIN GREAT IF YOU KEEP PRODUCING GREATNESS? but if they were worried they'd come up with Cursed Child type satuff I guess I'm glad they stopped. Point is I wish JKR had just stuck to her original idea after book 7 of no more HP. More would've been good if it was good, but it wasn't so better to let it end on a moment of greatness than be like declining. I didn't love some things in the last 2 HP books either but at least it didn't feel like an entirely different style. Crimes of Grindelwald, that entire series, I love though save for the Depp and the plot holes. I think this is because it has nothing to do with the Hogwarts setting so if it's different it can get away with it. We're not working with school kids, we're working with the past. So yes it also feels way different than the 7 HP books but when the setting and time are way different that's only logical to me. I'd also LOVE a series set back in the days of the Founders while we're doing history. Yes that would be Hogwarts too but I mean 1000 years ago and it'd be way different anyway. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. From klewellen at shellworld.net Mon May 6 02:57:17 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 22:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: <009d01d503ab$a67257a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <009d01d503ab$a67257a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193333 Cursed Child is Cannon, Rowling says so, and she is the only vote that counts smiles. There are several scenes in crimes that are the Hogwarts setting..in fact Minerva is teaching there. As for how much more alive Cursed Child is in the theatre, read the Broadway reviews. I respect you may wish otherwise, but all the wishing in the world will not make Cursed Child less than Cannon, or make the new fantastic beast works not in the Hogwarts setting. As for the depp casting? My thought at the time was box office draw, he was put into the role years before his professional life went loopy. Speaking personally, unless there is a contractual reason, he might still be replaced smiles. On Sun, 5 May 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > Yes Depp melts my mind to this day and totally ruins the Grindelwald > experience I need to know what they were thinking. LOL. Maybe one of them > was his bff and he really needed work, though just can't imagine. > > As for Cursed play I can't imagine it being better in person cause non-canon > poor plottage is just that and excellent acting can't make it feel more > like classic hp. But that's my pov and if others enjoy it I'm not bashing > them. Gotta get the HP joy on where you can. I can say, though, it reminds > me of when I had some favorite t.v shows go away and the writers said they > wanted to stop while it was still good. Seinnfeld being a perfect example. > I'm mentally yelling BUT IT'S GREAT, HOW CAN YOU RUIN GREAT IF YOU KEEP > PRODUCING GREATNESS? but if they were worried they'd come up with Cursed > Child type satuff I guess I'm glad they stopped. Point is I wish JKR had > just stuck to her original idea after book 7 of no more HP. More would've > been good if it was good, but it wasn't so better to let it end on a moment > of greatness than be like declining. I didn't love some things in the last 2 > HP books either but at least it didn't feel like an entirely different > style. > Crimes of Grindelwald, that entire series, I love though save for the Depp > and the plot holes. I think this is because it has nothing to do with the > Hogwarts setting so if it's different it can get away with it. We're not > working with school kids, we're working with the past. So yes it also feels > way different than the 7 HP books but when the setting and time are way > different that's only logical to me. > I'd also LOVE a series set back in the days of the Founders while we're > doing history. Yes that would be Hogwarts too but I mean 1000 years ago and > it'd be way different anyway. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > From renfield1893 at gmail.com Mon May 6 09:26:13 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 02:26:13 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories References: <009d01d503ab$a67257a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <00b001d503ed$bfd7a190$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193334 So JKR can change the definition of words now?Sounds pc. And if she agreed, of course she would say that. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. 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URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Mon May 6 19:11:26 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: <00b001d503ed$bfd7a190$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: <009d01d503ab$a67257a0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> <00b001d503ed$bfd7a190$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193336 In what regard? I am unsure where she is changing the definition of words. On Mon, 6 May 2019, 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > So JKR can change the definition of words now?Sounds pc. And if she agreed, of course she would say that. > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. From dea_weasley at hotmail.com Sun May 5 07:54:15 2019 From: dea_weasley at hotmail.com (Andrea Vieira) Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 07:54:15 +0000 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: <00b101d50314$c8113da0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> References: ,<00b101d50314$c8113da0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193337 It's ok to hate the actor, but Grindelwald is really needed in the movies. She wants to tell one main event in the past and it's a great event. Take out Grindelwald is the same thing taking out Dumbledore... Enviado do meu Telefone LG ------ Mensagem original------ De: 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] Data: dom, 5 de mai de 2019 4:33 AM Para: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com; Cc: Assunto:Re: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories I so agree about reading any screen play or book before seeing the movie. This probably sounds nuts but I didn't like Halloween, the horror series until reading the novelisations. Then I understood a lot more and got a lot more out of it. I so agree Depp is just not needing to be there. I like the young Darth Vader actor before he was Vader for Grindelwald if we go with book description honestly + a German accent would be cool. Just saying. LOL. JKR may have helped with the co-writing but I guess to me it should stay hers and not just have some of her touches, we have no idea how much she helped or just approved or adjusted. I don't know, no one knows, but cursed child was just way different than the HP books like they're more fantasy mystery and cursed play was more fantasy adventure wild storytelling. LOL. An entirely new flavor. Like giving me a crunch bar and telling me it's a chocolate chip cookie when it's not. For those who read the classics like Gone with the Wind VS Scarlet, the later which was written way later and by another entirely different author after the first was dead. Not the same situation but really feels like it. Hugin I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renfield1893 at gmail.com Tue May 7 09:08:37 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 02:08:37 -0700 Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories References: ,<00b101d50314$c8113da0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: <024901d504b4$74f62350$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193338 LOL NO. I love Grindelwald. I want him to stay and Depp to go. It would not be logical not to have Grindelwald but Depp is not Grindelwald. I feel another actor, pretty, long blonde hair, German, would have been far better/more believable, book accurate. I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Tue May 7 17:18:34 2019 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 13:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories In-Reply-To: References: ,<00b101d50314$c8113da0$0600a8c0@Jekyll> Message-ID: No: HPFGUIDX 193339 Oh of course Grindelwald is critical to be sure. I am just imagining how rich this character creation could be in other hands. If you are a trek fan, think of start trek II the wrath of Khan. In fact given how Rowling paints both the character and his influence on the Wizarding world, we want to feel his power so to speak. Kare On Sun, 5 May 2019, Andrea Vieira dea_weasley at hotmail.com [HPforGrownups] wrote: > > It's ok to hate the actor, but Grindelwald is really needed in the movies. She wants to tell one main event in the past and it's a great event. Take out Grindelwald is the same thing taking out Dumbledore... > Enviado do meu Telefone LG > > ------ Mensagem original------ > De: 'Hugin' renfield1893 at gmail.com [HPforGrownups] > Data: dom, 5 de mai de 2019 4:33 AM > Para: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Assunto:Re: [HPforGrownups] One more pooint, is Expanded Potter stories > > > > > > I so agree about reading any screen play or book before seeing the movie. This probably sounds nuts but I didn't like Halloween, the horror series until reading the novelisations. Then I understood a lot more and got a lot more out of it. > > I so agree Depp is just not needing to be there. I like the young Darth Vader actor before he was Vader for Grindelwald if we go with book description honestly + a German accent would be cool. Just saying. LOL. > > JKR may have helped with the co-writing but I guess to me it should stay hers and not just have some of her touches, we have no idea how much she helped or just approved or adjusted. I don't know, no one knows, but cursed child was just way different than the HP books like they're more fantasy mystery and cursed play was more fantasy adventure wild storytelling. LOL. An entirely new flavor. Like giving me a crunch bar and telling me it's a chocolate chip cookie when it's not. For those who read the classics like Gone with the Wind VS Scarlet, the later which was written way later and by another entirely different author after the first was dead. > Not the same situation but really feels like it. > Hugin > > I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. > I get along with the voices inside of my head. > > > From renfield1893 at gmail.com Thu May 16 06:38:14 2019 From: renfield1893 at gmail.com (Hugin) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:38:14 -0700 Subject: Huge dobby figure show/review Message-ID: <00f301d50bb1$f1045e90$0600a8c0@Jekyll> No: HPFGUIDX 193340 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N088gCSnIzI I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed. I get along with the voices inside of my head. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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