Here's my 2 knuts on the whole order that James and Lily came out of the wand thing. I noticed it (of course) when I read it and wrote it off to error. But, I want to think that J.K. and her team aren't quite THAT careless! When Harry's dad came out he said somethin about "you're mother is coming soon...". If the victims coming out are aware enough to tell you "mom is coming" and "please take my body back", maybe Harry's dad came out first by CHOICE to give Lily a minute to collect herself for her boy?!!! Too cutesy? Who cares, i like it better than mistakes, etc. Kitty, Frantic in Milwaukee to get hands on Vanity Fair and Nickelodeon mags! p.s. please bear with me if i repeat something discussed recently or seem out of it-I had to delete 300 e-mails I never even read to try to get newer ones and maybe catch up! Will try to hit the archives eventually. On Sun, 09 September 2001, "Steve Vander Ark" wrote: > > --- In HPforGrownups@y..., cynthiaanncoe@h... wrote: > > > So I (and I seem to be entirely alone in this) still think we need > to > > re-think the idea in the Lexicon that the corrected wand order > scene > > means that someone killed James and Lilly with Voldemort's wand > after > > Voldemort tried to kill Harry. > > Whoa there! You're misunderstanding, and it's myfault for not making > it clear. There is an explanation of this on top of that page, but I > think it's not plain enough. Let me explain here and then I'll look > into making this more understandably on the site. > > I am absolutely sure that JKR intended the Priori Incantatem scene to > read just like we all assumed it did when we first read it: that the > spells that came out matched the backstory we read in SS and > receieved hints to in PA. I am sure that she intends for James to > have been killed first, at the door, then Lily to have been killed > protecting Harry, then the spell rebounding on Voldemort. The Lexicon > page that you're referring to is intended to point out that THAT > ISN'T WHAT THE TEXT IN GF LITERALLY SAYS. In other words, it's a huge > Flint. When I first wrote that page, there was no evidence to suggest > that JKR wasn't playing tricky word games with us, leading us on and > setting us up for some wonderful revelation later. A lot of us really > hoped that that would happen. But it didn't. The whole wand order > thing was just a mistake on her part. Now once we've encountered that > mistake, the other oddities in that chapter suddenly seem likely to > be simply mistakes as well. There is evidence all through the book > that it wasn't edited as completely as it should have been. That > deadline crunch really must have been horrible. > > But the fact of the matter is, the text does not indicate that the > backfired Avada Kedavra spell ever came out of the wand. It just > doesn't. And as others have pointed out, it was a spell and it did > get cast and it didn't "fail." I'm sure that JKR just forgot. As > someone else pointed out, she didn't include the Imperius Curse on > Harry either. > > I think for me, this whole thing was a bit of a turning point. There > was a time when I expected amazing things from JKR. After all, she > had caught me by surprise with Scabbers and Quirrell with the face on > the back of his head. So I and a lot of other fans were very excited > to discover what we thought were new clues to bigger mysteries that > she was going to spring on us one of these days. But instead, it was > all just a goof, sorry 'bout that. She never even commented publicly > on it, just let the publishers try rather lamely to fix her lapse in > later editions. I was very let down and I know that others were too. > > So now I don't expect quite the cleverness from JKR that I once did. > Now, for example, when we start discussing which house people were > in, I just figure it's Gryffindor, because it almost certainly is. > EVERYONE'S in Gryffindor. Whatever. When people express fond hopes > that Draco might be "redeemed," I don't bother reading them. He won't > be. He's just a stereotype, part of a House that's just a stereotype. > > Don't get me wrong, I love the Harry Potter books. I'm not less of a > fan. I've just learned to accept the books for what they are, not > expect more. > > Steve Vander Ark > The Harry Potter Lexicon > http//www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon > > > > _______ADMIN________HPFGU_______ADMIN__________ > > Attention everyone! 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