[the_old_crowd] The Phoenix, the Stag, the Otter and the Swan (also posted on HPfGU)

[Randy Estes]

This is really interesting information.  JKR's going
to get nervous if she gets ahold of this. Maybe she'll
write a little faster to keep the secrets from
spreading too fast!

Can you elaborate on the similarities between the
ending of Book One and the other succeeding books'
endings?

I figured out that Devil's Snare has "snakelike
tendrils" that wrap around your ankles. Perhaps a
reference to the Basilisk.  What do winged keys
represent?  

In the fighting chessboard, the white king took his
crown and threw it at Harry's feet.  Is that
significant?

Quirrell left a troll that was knocked out.  

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Snape's potions poem finishes with "Are twins once you
taste them, though different at first sight".  I think
that could alude to Harry and Voldemorte being like
twins now with the two snakes mumbled by Dumbledore on
the night Mr. Weasley is attacked and attached in
Harry's dreams.  Harry drinks a potion that makes him
feel like ice and walks through black flames.

The last is Quirrell and the mirror of Erised.  The
capturing of the stone led to the death of Nicholas
Flamel.  Does that imply someone nice has to die for
the Wizard world to return to peace and harmony in
book 7?

I am merely guessing, but someone else seemed to have
an idea how everything was related.  Any clues?

ALSO... Change of topic... and now for something
completely different....

I was wondering about the name Luna Lovegood.  She
seems kind of Moonstruck.  Is she just blatantly a
love interest for the boys in the books?  Or does she
share Harry's moon sign and provide him with free love
advice as the years go by. :0)

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--- Phyllis <erisedstraeh2002 at ...> wrote:
> The "Phoenix" in the "Order of the Phoenix:"
> 
> I thought it was notable that there is no definition
> provided in OoP 
> of why the Order of the Phoenix is named after a
> phoenix. I believe 
> the Order received its name from Fawkes, Professor
> Dumbledore's 
> phoenix, and I think Fawkes was Godric Gryffindor's
> phoenix when 
> Gryffindor was alive because:
> 
> - Fawkes is scarlet and gold, the colors of
> Gryffindor House. 
> Harry's wand contains one of Fawkes' feathers as its
> magical core, 
> and red and gold sparks fly from the end of his wand
> the first time 
> he waves it in PS/SS as well as in his anger at the
> Dursleys in OoP. 
> 
> - Fawkes lives in Dumbledore's office along with the
> Sorting 
> Hat and sword that we are told once belonged to
> Gryffindor. We are 
> told for the first time in CoS that Dumbledore's
> office door has a 
> griffin-shaped knocker; the griffin knocker is
> referred to twice in 
> OoP. 
> 
> - In legend, the griffin was believed to be the
> adversary of 
> serpent and basilisks. This could be a parallel to
> Gryffindor's 
> Fawkes and Slytherin's basilisk. When I originally
> came up with this 
> theory, I thought it might also be a clue to a
> possible good-against-
> evil fight between Gryffindor and Slytherin 1,000
> years ago. This 
> was verified in OoP during the Sorting Hat's song
> which refers to 
> their duelling and fighting. Moreover, Fawkes helps
> Harry defeat the 
> basilisk in the Chamber and phoenix song strengthens
> Harry both in 
> the Chamber and in the graveyard in Goblet of Fire. 
> 
> So, perhaps the Order of the Phoenix during the
> first war was 
> carrying on the Gryffindor-Slytherin fight against
> Voldemort, with 
> James the descendant of Gryffindor fighting
> Voldemort, the descendant 
> of Slytherin.
> 
> Harry's Stag Patronus:
> 
> I believe that Harry's stag patronus and James' stag
> animagus 
> represent Harry and James' descendancy from Godric
> Gryffindor because 
> in the legend of "St. Godric and the Hunted Stag," a
> hunting party is 
> pursuing a particularly beautiful stag, which runs
> to St. Godric's 
> hermitage for shelter. St. Godric protects the stag
> from the 
> hunters. So in the second war, the Order of the
> Phoenix is again 
> carrying on the Gryffindor-Slytherin fight against
> Voldemort, with 
> Harry the descendant of Gryffindor fighting
> Voldemort, the descendant 
> of Slytherin.
> 
> Hermione's Otter Patronus:
> 
> It was the life of St. Cuthbert which influenced St.
> Godric to become 
> religious. There is a legend about St. Cuthbert
> which says that 
> otters revived him after he had prayed through the
> night while up to 
> his neck in cold sea water. As St. Godric is
> represented in art with 
> a stag by his side, St. Cuthbert is represented in
> art tended by 
> otters and swans. Which leads us to...
> 
> Cho's Swan Patronus:
> 
> I couldn't find any legends about St. Cuthbert and
> swans, but he was 
> fond of the eider-duck, which is regarded as the
> first bird in the 
> world to have been given conservation protection,
> when St. Cuthbert 
> offered the eider duck sanctuary on the Farne
> Islands in the seventh 
> century. Eider-ducks are called "Saint Cuthbert's
> ducks" 
> or "Cuddy's" ducks. (see: 
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/livingworld_20020303.shtml)
> 
> So perhaps Hermione's otter patronus and Cho's swan
> patronus are 
> clues which support both the Heir of Gryffindor
> theory as well as 
> Hermione and Cho's potential future roles in
> reviving Harry after he 
> has suffered.
> 
> Other Interesting Parallels:
> 
> St. Cuthbert lived on the wild moors. Godric
> Gryffindor is referred 
> to being "from wild moor" during the Sorting Hat's
> song in GoF.
> 
> When St. Cuthbert's body was moved in 1104 to the
> new cathedral of 
> Durham, his body was found to be perfectly preserved
> as was the head 
> of St. Oswald, which had been placed with Cuthbert's
> body for safety. 
> It is from this point that the head of St. Oswald
> was adopted as the 
> symbol of St. Cuthbert. (see: 
>
http://www.britainexpress.com/History/saxon/cuthbert.htm)
> 
> In OoP, we learn that Fudge's middle name is
> "Oswald." Does this 
> suggest that Fudge will be beheaded in book 6 or 7
> (I can only 
> hope!)? Or perhaps that he will see the light and
> join the fight 
> against Voldemort?
> 
> There are several otter references in the books --
> the Weasley's 
> house is near the village of *Ottery* St. Catchpole,
> and the 
> Weasleys, the Diggorys and Harry find the Portkey to
> the Quidditch 
> World Cup at the top of *Stoat*shead Hill. Not to
> mention Hagrid's 
> stoat sandwiches and the fact that otters are
> cousins to weasels.
> 
> St. Cuthbert was an orphan, like Harry.
> 
> There is only one character so far in the series
> with the name 
> of "Cuthbert" - Cuthbert Mockridge, Head of the
> Goblin Liaison 
> Office, who is mentioned in passing in Ch. 7 of GoF.
> We've heard 
> lots about goblin rebellions, and learn more about
> how goblins have 
> historically been repressed by wizards in OoP.
> Perhaps goblins will 
> play a larger role in books 6 and 7 and we'll learn
> more about 
> Cuthbert Mockridge.
> 
> ~Phyllis
> 
> 
> 


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