[the_old_crowd] John the Baptist connection

[Randy Estes]

I also thought that Nicholas Flamel was made up by JKR
until last night!  That is what really surprised me
the most.  But the connection to the Davinci Code is
only important because of the idea of secret societies
that require people to perform tasks and use their
wits to become worthy of learning the secrets!

This concept fits Harry Potter so well!!!!!  Just look
at the Philosopher's Stone ending and the tasks that
must be performed to become worthy of obtaining the
Philosopher's stone.  If you read about Nicholas
Flamel, you will see find his belief that making
things into gold was only useful if you used the gold
for good purposes other than gaining personal wealth
and fame.  

This implies that Voldemort could never obtain the
stone from the mirror since his purpose was all wrong.
 But Harry Potter could obtain the stone from the
mirror because he intended to use it for the right
purposes!  One of Flamel's strongly held beliefs was
that "the love of money" and power is the path to
destruction.  Biblical text put into practice.

The other theme that I saw was the concept of putting
ideas into action.  Davinci and Isaac Newton who were
also Grand Masters obviously took action on their
ideas and created great things.  I think Harry Potter
puts beliefs and ideas into action in every book.  He
is obviously still an apprentice, but will become more
worthy as his adventures continue.  

The references to Nicholas Flamel lead me to believe
that JKR has a good heart and wants to instruct young
minds to do the right things.  You might say that she
has followed the creed of Flamel and pursued her dream
and not chased after money.  While doing this the
money comes to you.  This is the ancient theme of the
story of the Philosopher's stone.

I am encouraged by reading about the story of Nicholas
Flamel and look forward to future JKR books.

Randy
--- JoAnna Wahlund <pt4ever at ...> wrote:
> Interesting theory, Randy!  I had no idea that
> Nicolas Flamel was a real person - I
> thought he was a creation of JKR's imagination!  
> 
> One thing (OT) I must point out, however - The
> DaVinci Code is a work of historical
> fiction, not nonfiction.  I'm Catholic, and I've had
> a lot of people tell me, "I read the
> DaVinci Code and I can't BELIEVE all the stuff the
> Catholic Church has kept hidden!" 
> When I point out that the book is a work of
> historical fiction, they usually look
> surprised and puzzled.  So I just thought I'd send a
> friendly reminder to do research
> into the things mentioned in TDC (like you have,
> Randy, thank you!) instead of taking
> book as fact.  :)
> 
> --- Randy Estes <estesrandy at ...> wrote:
> > 
> > I have been reading several comments today about
> Harry
> > Potter and John the Baptist connections.
> > 
> > I just finished "The Davinci Code" by Dan Brown
> that
> > is a suspense murder mystery regarding artworks of
> > Leonardo Davinci and his involvement with the
> Priory
> > of Sion.  Davinci was actually a Grand Master
> (Leader)
> > of the Priory of Sion.  In my subsequent internet
> > search about the Priory of Sion, I stumbled across
> > this reference to Nicholas Flamel who was a Grand
> > Master of the Priory of Sion.  If you read the
> text
> > below, you see allusions to Harry Potter and the
> > Sorcerer's stone.  You might want to read the
> Davinci
> > Code to learn more!!
> > 
> > "It has been alleged that Hughes de Payens, first
> > Grand Master of the Knights Templar, had been
> inducted
> > into the Johannites, a sect which chose John the
> > Baptist as their prophet. According to the
> dossiers
> > secrets, each of the alleged Grand Masters of the
> > Prieure de Sion took the name Jean in succession
> > (supposedly influencing the name chosen by Pope
> John
> > XXIII). One of the Grand Masters on the list,
> Leonardo
> > da Vinci, displayed a strong interest in John the
> > Baptist. Another, Sir Isaac Newton, became
> preoccupied
> > with the writings of the Apocalypse, then
> attributed
> > to John the Evangelist. 
> > 
> > According to the dossiers secrets, the following
> > individuals were amongst the Grand Masters: 
> > 
> > 
> > Nicholas Flamel (1330-1418) the most famous of the
> > alchemists said, "the Paris notary Nicolas Flamel
> > claimed that he dreamed of an occult book,
> > subsequently found it, and succeeded in
> deciphering it
> > with the aid of a Jewish scholar learned in the
> mystic
> > Hebrew writings known as the Kabbala. In 1382
> Flamel
> > claimed to have succeeded in the 'Great Work'
> (gold
> > making); certainly he became rich and made
> donations
> > to churches. 
> > 
> > One alchemical symbol that is widely acknowledged
> by
> > modern scholars is that of an old bearded man, the
> > back of whose head shows a young woman looking
> into a
> > mirror. A statue with this image graces the
> exterior
> > of Nantes cathedral, as does a bearded king with
> the
> > body of a woman, in the porch at Chartres that
> depicts
> > the Queen of Sheba. 
> > 
> > The hermaphrodite is a pure alchemical symbol,
> > representing the perfect balance achieved in the
> Great
> > Work, and the perfect being, in which the
> alchemist
> > himself is transformed and transmuted spiritually
> -
> > and, as many believe, physically as well. It was a
> > 'consummation devoutly to be wished' and had
> little,
> > if anything, to do with sexuality as we understand
> it
> > today. 
> > 
> > The Great Work was an explosion of the potential
> into
> > the actual, where they mystical quest takes on
> > concrete form. As the alchemists said, 'as above,
> so
> > below' - this process was believed to make spirit
> into
> > matter and transmute one sort of matter into
> another.
> > It made a man into a god. 
> > 
> > Revered by men like Newton, Flamel was the
> discoverer
> > of The Sacred Book of Abraham the Jew, Prince,
> Priest,
> > Levite, Astrologer and Philosopher to that Tribe
> of
> > Jews who by the Wrath of God were Dispersed
> amongst
> > the Gauls which became one of the most famous
> works in
> > Western esoteric tradition. "
> > 
> > I think reading "The Davinci Code" or learning
> more
> > about the Priory of Sion and its secret society
> may
> > unleash alot of ideas about the Harry's mother
> being
> > in the back of Harry's head and Voldemort being in
> the
> > back of Professor Quirrell's head.  The idea of
> the
> > Male/Female union is more powerful than Voldemort.
> > 
> > You could stay up for weeks reading all of this
> stuff.
> > 
> > Randy
> > 
> > 
> > 
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