A dastardly Voldy plan - was: Re: Lockets

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Snow:
>
> JKR's website offers a bit of an information about the Diary-
Horcrux:
>
> "In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died
> and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary?
> I can't answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it
> would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably."
>
> Interesting that Diary!Tom would have strengthened the present-day
> Voldy, but how? Wouldn't they, like you said Kim, be two separate
> persons? Maybe the Horcrux reincarnation portion of Voldy seeks out
> its creator and rejoins him.

Lyn now:
You might find it interesting to review Kneasy's post "Credit where 
credit is
due" of my
email to him on my pre-HBP thoughts on this. Yes, I think it possible 
that LV
can re-
incorporate his HXs to renew his powers.


Snow:

I was able to locate that post
it was quite insightful thinking. Keep 
up the good work and you can possibly force the dear lady to release 
book seven before you have figured out all but the cover details. :)

Snip (me) previously>
>
> The Horcrux!Nagini fed Vapormort transforming him into the snakelike
> babymort. Voldy was able to use Nagini to become something more than
> vapor but didn't have to physically join with the snake.


Lyn now:
Yes LV actually relates pretty much the story of this in the 
graveyard in GOF:
"a spell or
two of my own invention...a little help from my dear Nagini." "a 
potion
concocted from
unicorn blood, and the snake venom Nagini provided...I was soon 
returned to an
almost
human form...."

Snow:

I was thinking more from the aspect that he was being fed his soul 
back to him through Nagini's venom
the added touch of unicorn blood 
was to keep him protected from the effects of the venom itself until 
he could retrieve the soul hidden inside Nagini. 

<snip (me) previously>
>
> I thought that the Horcrux was created as an immortality measure 
that
> simply prohibits the mother source of Voldy's soul to truly die
but
> it appears that these bits of soulcrux'es can be used to strengthen
> the creator as well if they are introduced to a human source (or
> soul) for rejuvenation. Ginny would have been the sacrificial soul
> that allowed the Horcrux of the Diary to become a living soul once
> more.
>

Lyn now:
Exactly what I speculated in that email to Kneasy. I think the guide 
in all of
this is another
statement from LV in the graveyard: "But I was willing to embrace 
mortal life
again, before
chasing immortality. I set my sights lower...I would settle for my 
old body back
again, and
my old strength."

My guess is that every time LV split his soul to form a HX he also 
divided some
of his
power. He didn't really give it up, by he compartmentalized it 
outside of
himself, still
available for return if so needed. At the height of his powers, he 
had power to
spare,
sufficient to exchange a portion for immortality. The events at GH 
changed that.
He now
needs to regain that power, at least temporarily.

Snow:

Everything, to me, leads back to Godric's Hollow. When Voldemort was 
snatched from his body and became vapor, did his soul remain with him 
or was he in need of a piece from one of his hidden Horcrux's? If, 
when Voldemort was vanquished from his body he lost his soul and his 
powers to Harry as an unintentional Horcrux, how was Voldy able to 
find his remaining Horcrux's? The only power Voldy was left with was 
the power of possession. 
If Voldemort did not lose his soul to Harry at Godric's Hollow, how 
is it that Harry could even be an unintentional Horcrux? I guess it 
could be that Voldy killing both James and Lily separated his soul 
again at the very last but that doesn't explain why Voldy lost all 
his powers (except that of possession) unless, as you suggest Lyn, 
that Voldy had already hidden some of his powers with his remaining 
Horcrux's.   



Lyn:


I suspect, again back to that email to Kneasy, that LV has been 
cautiously
seeking out
some of his HXs to re-establish his powers. The reintegration is not 
easy, and
likely
requires some contribution of the life force of another to effect the
reintegration. It may
well be that the bone of the father in GOF was one of the HX's and 
the other
components
were necessary to effect that reincorporation. Indeed, I strongly 
suspect that
is what took
place in the graveyard.

Snow:

Do you really believe that Voldy made his dad or his tombstone, 
whatever into a Horcrux? First off, when Tom found out the truth 
about his parents, especially his father, do you really think that he 
would hold him in highest regard to be a protector of any part of his 
soul? Secondly, it took more than the bone of his father to 
inactivate the ancient magic to restore himself to a human form. I 
highly doubt this one, sorry. 
 
Lyn:

What this means, if true, is that destruction of the remaining HXs 
will not
escape LVs
attention, and that such destruction is urgent not just so as to kill 
LV, but to
prevent him
from regaining even greater powers.

Also, if the bone of the father was indeed a HX, then it adds to the
plausibility that LV was
indeed intending to use an eventually dead infant Harry as his next 
HX. Aligning

Possession Theory with HX. Possession first to learn of whatever 
powers/threat
resided
within the infant and to remove them, transfer of a portion of the 
soul next
achieved by
the necessary death of James (and why Lily's death was unnecessary), 
death of
Harry to
seal the soul fragment within him and form the HX. Then the ironical 
knowledge
that the
"threat" now served as a secret stepping stone towards his 
immortality.

Snow:

I have not frayed from original thoughts on this subject, which is 
that Voldy came to Godric's Hollow in search of the `power' that this 
child (according to the part of the prophecy that he heard) appears 
to have. Voldy, after killing off both the infants parents, with no 
threat to himself at this point (with all the time in the world), 
attempts legilemency to see if the infant shows any latent tendency 
to a power of which Voldy has not yet acquired and it becomes a scene 
from Snape and Harry's Occlumency lessons with a touch of Lily's 
ancient sacrifice taboot
and I do mean boot. Voldy got a kick that 
was way worse than what Snape had experienced which left Snape dazed 
and a bit confused. 


Lyn:

Finally, if one re-reads the graveyard scene, one will find more than 
one
statement by LV
that the DeathEaters knew of his steps towards immortality (and thus 
why they
should
have known he was not dead). That may or may not mean than many of 
the Death
Eaters
know about HXs, but perhaps lack the capability (right now) to 
generate their
own. Perhaps
one of the ways he obtains their allegience is the promise to 
eventually show
them how to
make one for themselves. ["Not now little Death Eater, right how you 
need all
of your
powers, but stick with me and your powers will expand, and eventually 
I'll be
able to teach
you how to make a HX of your own."]

Snow:

I had a bit of enlightenment myself about the deatheaters but more so 
about their scars or dark marks pre-HBP. It you care to read the 
ramblings they can be found at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/124573


Lyn:

Anyway, just some thoughts for fun.

Snow:

I wouldn't be here if it wasn't just for fun!

Thanks for the reply and the enlightenment

Best to you

Snow