That Bloody Man Again WAS Re: The curious incident of the Felix Felicis

[nrenka]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
wrote:

**opening disclaimer: I may not actually believe any of this**

> 1) Snape's outrageous lie
> "The Dark Lord is satisfied with the information I have passed him 
> on the Order. It led, as perhaps you have guessed, to the recent 
> capture and murder of Emmeline Vance, and it certainly helped 
> dispose of Sirius Black" -- HBP ch 2
> 
> cf OOP
> "But he gave Narcissa information of the sort that is very valuable
> to Voldemort [...] Voldemort knew already, of course, that Sirius
> was in the Order, that you knew where he was--but Kreacher's
> information made him realize that the one person whom you 
> would go to any lengths to rescue was Sirius Black."
> 
> Snape is claiming credit for Kreacher's information, in front of
> the very person it was given to. How did he expect to get away
> with that?

You're not being very sneaky here, Pippin--Law of the Excluded 
Middle?  How do you know that Snape wasn't *also* passing information 
to Voldemort, which helped in the whole scenario at the Ministry as 
well as the murder of Emmeline Vance?  Narcissa may well be thinking 
at that point: "You too?  WTF?"

I suppose that someone else could have betrayed Emmeline Vance and 
Snape took the credit for it, or maybe she's not dead.  That last is 
a cop-out, it seems to me.

<snip>

> 5) Dumbledore's choices
> DD  feeds us a lot of guff about slowing reflexes. But he manages 
> to freeze Harry before Draco can deprive him of his wand. Why in 
> blazes didn't he freeze Draco first??? Or disarm him? Then he could 
> have dealt with Harry at his leisure. 
> 
> I suspect Dumbledore had something to teach Draco, and more 
> importantly Harry, and it was that every racist punk is *not* a 
> would-be murderer. Dumbledore is reasonably safe in this belief, 
> after all, Draco passed up a heavensent opportunity to kill Harry 
> on the train.

I do indeed think that Dumbledore is trying to make a point here with 
Draco, and do things in a particular way.  I don't think that 
invalidates the point that it may well have gone very, very wrong.  
The Dumbledore who is all "Let me help you out, Draco" suddenly (in 
some theories) becomes the dying-all-book-kill-me-now-from-mercy, 
Severus, Dumbledore.

Draco does a pretty good job at getting off two near-misses, as 
well.  I'd say that Dumbledore actually seriously underestimated 
Draco in this book, and for once Harry was really dead-on right.

> Nora:
>> -Nora's top request for a question to be answered concerns the
>> extent to which Legilimency can be used to communicate specific 
>> concepts, natch
> 
> Pippin:
> But Snape answered your question! 

Being able to pick up on what spell is being used; I see that.  Being 
able to pick up on something like "Kill me now"; not so sure.  
Legilimency is not mind-reading, after all--Snape also tells us that.

I also point you to elsewhere, that I'm not convinced Snape's model 
of emotional repression is going to be Harry's ultimate path to 
success.

-Nora notes that Legilimency is not telepathy, there is no telepathy 
in Harry Potter...