[the_old_crowd] Re: Source of Lily is Isis the mother of Horus

[Randy Estes]

 --- songbird3411 <SongBird3411 at ...> wrote:

> --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, Nora
> <nrenka at y...> wrote:
> 
> >> So, who's Osiris in this setup?  James?  Nah, JKR
> only seems to be 
> going the incest route with the Gaunts (and maybe
> some of the Blacks). 
> Ever the problem with readings of mythological
> correspondences on the 
> grand scale--everyone goes for the things that fit
> and ignores as 
> detail the things that don't. :)<<

Randy ponders...

I also think that even Professor Trelawney could
predict that including incestual relations for Harry's
parents would not sell very well in the children's
book market.

> Well, as someone who has taken a fair few classes in
> Egyptology, I 
> suppose I am qualified to comment here.  Egyptian
> religion and 
> mythology is the very definition of a complex topic.
>  The pantheon was 
> never truly defined.  The relationships between the
> Gods shifted and 
> changed with the times.  Each dynasty changed the
> relationships and 
> stories to fit with current events or ideology.
> 
> These Horus/Isis/Osiris/Set myths are some of the
> oldest in 
> mythology.  (And Randy managed to pull the tamest
> versions of them.)  
> However, the version Randy is quoting isn't even the
> most popular of 
> the bunch.  In the (supposed) original version, it
> is Isis who 
> reassembles Osiris.  In that version Horus is not
> even yet born.  
> Also, I must point out that in Egyptian myth Seth
> wasn't even always 
> the bad guy.  Some of the dynasties even took his
> name as the root of 
> their dynasty.  Some pharoahs were named for him. 
> (See: Seti I, 
> father of Ramses II)  Also, Seth wasn't always
> depicted as a serpent.  
> Sometimes he was the god depicted as a lion.  I
> believe that will give 
> you a taste of how complex Egyptian myth can get.
> 
> Anyway, before I start sounding like an Egyptology
> geek (though I 
> truly am one), I needed to point out that if one was
> searching for a 
> theme or idea in Egyptian mythology, it wouldn't be
> difficult to 
> find.  I imagine just about every version of every
> kind of myth can be 
> found with some God or other playing the lead.  
> 
> If JKR is using Egyptian myth as a basis for HP, she
> is a braver woman 
> than I.  There is just a lot of *stuff* to slog
> through to find what 
> you are looking for.  I am fairly well versed in it,
> but it still 
> wouldn't be the place I would first look for HP
> comparisons.
> 
> Sorry if it sounds like I put a damper on Randy's
> posts.  I prefer the 
> original myths, so I tend to see Isis as the one who
> reassembled 
> Osiris, not Horus.  Although, the eye of Horus myths
> can certainly fit 
> some aspects of HP, I will admit.  Something to
> think about.
> 
> Mindy
> 

Randy replies:

You know I still like this theory, and this evening I
discovered that someone else figured it out last year.
They claim that it is the same story being rewritten
throughout history.  One version is King Arthur which
leads to the Merlin (Dumbledore) connection.  I think
the basis of the story being derived from a well known
myth does not prevent the author from making the story
"her own" by changing the characters around.  


see the link:

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-michelle02.shtml

 The Horus myth is definitely the origin of the
Phoenix bird story.  I don't think anyone can say that
the Phoenix is not a key element of this series.

The analogy is that the solar eclipse has a moment
when the moon covers the sun and only small amounts of
light protrude around the edges.  This light takes the
shape of wings which led to the idea of a flaming sun
bird that is reborn from the ashes as the eclipse is
completed.  To see the picture look at the following
link.  I keep seeing the golden snitch!

http://wingedeyesymbol.homestead.com/

RER



		
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