[the_old_crowd] Re: Stupid question about Horscrux!Harry

[Charme]

>From: "Judy"

> Actually, the question of how a bit of evil!Voldie could stand being
> in Pure!Harry is a very good question, not stupid at all!  Glad you
> brought it up, Eloise.
>
>
> Neri said:
>> > The fact that Voldy tried to spare Lily also
>> > suggests he wanted to make her the Hx.
>
>> Jen: Urgh, Neri! That thought never occurred to me, that Voldemort
>> wanted to use Lily as a Horcrux. Why, though? A living thing as a
>> Horcrux sounded like a last-resort option.
>
> I don't think Voldemort would want Lily as a horcrux, either.  Now,
> if Voldemort *knew* that harry would survive the AK, it would have an
> advantage  -- the only way for Harry to destroy Voldemort would be to
> kill his own mother.  But, Voldemort expected Harry to die, so that
> wasn't an issue.
>
> Lily would be a poor horcrux for several reasons.  Firstly, she was
> mortal -- which I'm not certain Nagini is. Nagini does not seem to
> correspond to any actual type of snake; there are no venomous snakes
> anywhere near her size. Also, "Naga" can refer to supernatural snake-
> beings in Hindu mythology.
>
> Seconly, Lily was clearly willing to die to destroy Voldemort; she
> was in the Order. So, if she knew she had a bit of Voldemort's soul
> in her, she would likely be willing to die to destroy it.
>
Judy said :


> Actually, the question of how a bit of evil!Voldie could stand being
> in Pure!Harry is a very good question, not stupid at all!  Glad you
> brought it up, Eloise.
>
>
> Neri said:
>> > The fact that Voldy tried to spare Lily also
>> > suggests he wanted to make her the Hx.
>
>> Jen: Urgh, Neri! That thought never occurred to me, that Voldemort
>> wanted to use Lily as a Horcrux. Why, though? A living thing as a
>> Horcrux sounded like a last-resort option.
>
> I don't think Voldemort would want Lily as a horcrux, either.  Now,
> if Voldemort *knew* that harry would survive the AK, it would have an
> advantage  -- the only way for Harry to destroy Voldemort would be to
> kill his own mother.  But, Voldemort expected Harry to die, so that
> wasn't an issue.
>
> Lily would be a poor horcrux for several reasons.  Firstly, she was
> mortal -- which I'm not certain Nagini is. Nagini does not seem to
> correspond to any actual type of snake; there are no venomous snakes
> anywhere near her size. Also, "Naga" can refer to supernatural snake-
> beings in Hindu mythology.
>
> Seconly, Lily was clearly willing to die to destroy Voldemort; she
> was in the Order. So, if she knew she had a bit of Voldemort's soul
> in her, she would likely be willing to die to destroy it.

Charme:

To Neri's point, I'm not sure about that.  I believe that JKR makes a point 
in one of her interviews that Voldemort lies, and she relates this 
specifically with Tom Riddle's CoS apparently bogus comment to Harry that 
Hagrid kept werewolf cubs under his bed.  Thinking Lily could have been 
intended for a Horcrux might be a red herring. Furthermore, DD makes the 
statement in HBP that even in Nagini's case, it was unusual for even 
Voldemort to have made Nagini a Horcrux and that there's a certain risk in 
that given that you're dealing with a creature that has its own mind and 
you've given it part of your soul. Interestingly, that to me would point to 
if in fact Harry does have a piece of Voldemort in him, that he's capable of 
free will and this could refer back to DD's statement to Harry in CoS that 
it's our choices that determine who we are.

I wonder though, and this is far fetched, if perhaps a sliver of Lily is in 
Harry in some way, if she discovered something if she worked in the DoM as 
some suspect. I'm not sure I'm explaining it properly, and I ask this 
fleetingly as it relates to some of the other revelations in the septology 
about how Lily's sacrifice provided protection for Harry.  Lily's sacrifice 
for Harry and protection thereof would also apply to the piece of 
Voldemort's soul in Harry (if it's there.) Not to be sappy, but how would 
having a protection like a mother's sacrifice (which Riddle never had) 
change the tortured nature of something like that? Would it?

On an unrelated but Lily note, I have weird suspicion some of the potion 
changes in the Snape's Potion Book came from either Lily, or in 
collaboration with her. Note that Sluggy points out how he thought Lily was 
pureblood, she was so good. He does not mention Snape, I don't think? Not 
that that means anything, but there you are.


Charme, hoping I haven't botched what I was trying to say