Stupid question about Horscrux!Harry

nkafkafi nkafkafi at nkafkafi.yahoo.invalid
Wed Aug 17 21:51:17 UTC 2005


> Neri:
> > As I mention above it is canon that a sliver of Voldy found it's
> > way into Harry at GH despite the protection. The only question is
> > if this sliver is a soul sliver.
> 
> Jen: 
> His powers found a way inside, some of his powers. Powers 
> aren't in and of themselves good or evil. <snip>
> 
> The accidental Horcrux will be an extremely hard sell after HBP, 
> where Dumbledore tells us: "If he had not forced your mother to die 
> for you {hey, I thought she had a choice?}, would he have given you 
> a magical protection he could not penetrate?" (chap. 23, p. 510).
> 

Neri:
A hard sell? But you've apparently already bought Voldemort's powers 
(or some of them at least) passing to baby Harry, which I had *a lot* 
of difficulty buying until HBP. Why, oh why would a rebounded AK 
result in the transfer of powers??? In six books JKR has never 
supplied us with any possible mechanism for transferring powers from 
one wizard to another, not because of a rebounded AK and not because 
of any other reason. What she *did* supply us with is a mechanism for 
transferring *soul parts*, and then she went and told us that Voldy 
is the world greatest expert in this particular mechanism and that he 
was going to use baby Harry for it. 

And remember, we also have to explain why the rebounded AK "forged a 
connection" between Harry and Voldy. A connection which is so strong 
that they leak emotions and perceptions to one another through it. 
Now, in this case we indeed have been supplied with the mechanism of 
Legilimency/Occlumency, but this still doesn't explain why Harry and 
Voldy can do it from any distance without even consciously 
attempting. It doesn't seem like transferred powers can "forge" such 
a strong connection, but a shared soul part, now this is another 
matter.

So it seems JKR is left with three options for explaining the power 
transfer and the mind connection:

1. "It just happened because of the AK" with no further explanation 
how and why.

2. It was a result of Harry being an intentional or unintentional Hx.

3. JKR is going to present a whole new explanation in Book 7.

It's Option 1 that would be the most hard sell for me. Option 3 is 
likely to feel artificial, presenting the basic mechanisms that 
enable the most important magic in the series only in the last book. 
Option 2 is slightly problematic, but would still be the easiest sell 
for me. The problems of the protection penetrated or the Hx magic 
happening (perhaps) unintentionally aren't crucial because we know so 
little about Ancient Magic mechanics and Hx mechanics, we can hardly 
conclude that something is more likely or less likely. But we do know 
a lose soul part was flying around in GH, we do know there was a 
magical wound in Harry's forehead, and we do know the protection 
allowed powers and apparently also memories to go through it. 

> Jen: 
> Urgh, Neri! That thought never occurred to me, that Voldemort 
> wanted to use Lily as a Horcrux. Why, though? A living thing as a 
> Horcrux sounded like a last-resort option. And he knows the woman 
> who thrice-defied him isn't going to willingly agree to that. 
> Wouldn't he guess that she would rather die? Then he's left with 
> nothing to put the soul into.

Neri:
Voldemort certainly wouldn't guess Lily would rather die – he can't 
understand that there are things worse than death, remember? The plan 
of Hx!Lily isn't really necessary for the theory of unintentional 
Harrycrux, but it explains several things. Take a look in 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_old_crowd/message/2683
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_old_crowd/message/2693 
for my explanations why, and also why it doesn't contradict (actually 
it supports) any version of Tewww Ewww. I'd imagine Voldy thought Hx!
Lily would be Imperio'ed, guarded by his loyal servant, and probably 
also controlled by his soul in a similar way that Ginny was 
controlled by the Diary Hx. In fact, after we very nearly had Hx!
Ginny, a Hx!Lily plan would be the most natural thing.


Neri







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