Detecting magic (was: re AKs and Horcrux!Harry and soul-ripping )

[Lyn J. Mangiameli]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Barry Arrowsmith" <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
<snip of lots of illustrations of JKR's sloppiness>
 
> Personally I've never believed that Voldy threw an AK at Harry, all the evidence
> is against it. He cast something for sure, but it probably wasn't with his wand,
> nothing shows on the replay in the graveyard and the destruction of Voldy's
> body and of the house can't be glossed over as a non-physical result of a
> cast spell that wasn't worth recording. 
> This is probably where someone chimes in with "maybe it was a non-verbal 
> AK". So show me one in canon; until you do it's whistling in the dark.

Lyn now.

Yes, yes and another yes. Rowling has had six books of umpteen pages, not to menton 
interviews, to reconcile her facts  on the "killing" curse that was suppused to be 
delivered than night, and she has never done so. She was quite willing to be brutally 
specific with regards to "ships," yet chooses not to be straight forward and definitive about 
this point. 
> 
> It gets much more manageable if one assumes that it wasn't an AK but
> something else. Yeah, Possession Theory again - or a variant that would
> place some of Voldy's soul plus powers inside Harry. Interesting that Harry's
> scar is 'S' shaped - just like a serpent.  Wonder if Voldy marks all his Hxs?

For me, there will be no satisfactory ending of this series if it does not logically reconcile 
the outstanding discrepancies between Possession, Immortality and HXs--all of which 
relate to her conception and charaterization of the soul/self. My reading of what she has 
provided us so far is that Possession is the soul (actually mind/soul as she seems to 
integrate the two) of one entering into the body/soul of another and exerting dominance. 
Apparently one does not require a body to perform possession as neither diary Riddle or 
disembodied LV required one for their possessions. Indeed, no LV body was present 
during the possession of Harry at the Ministry.  

Now let me go one step farther with this, which is surely a little freaky, but perhaps a 
momentary amusement. By all appearances from the canon to date, the AK that killed Lilly 
was the last wand spell prior to GH blowing up. What if there were two separate events 
occuring at the end. One where LV AK's Lilly's body, and another where he attempts to 
possess Harry (still likely a prelude to later intentions to kill Harry), but what if when his 
soul attempted to possess/enter Harry, it encounted all or some fragment of Lilly's soul 
there as well, prepared to struggle for dominance of Harry's soul. Lilly's soul would seek 
temporary benificent dominance (knowing it can withdraw later, as usually happens in 
possession), to prevent LV's more destructive dominance. The scar results not from the AK 
attempt on Harry, but the violent expulsion of LV's soul (possession) from Harry. This 
expulsion occured as both Lilly's and LV's bodies die by means of the rebounding curse 
(but a curse that rebounded from Lilly, not Harry), and as both Lilly and LV's souls fail to 
maintain a grasp on Harry's body. The end result is not only powers that LV leaves behind, 
but powers that Lilly leaves behind within Harry (and related to the significance of the 
Green eyes, which may in part represent the soul fragement of Lilly that exists in Harry). It 
may be that this remains part of the reason why LV was not able to maintain possession of 
Harry at the Ministry. As for why LV's fragmented soul would survive GH and Lilly's didn't, 
that may well fall back on his many measures to achieve immortality. Anyway, I just 
wonder if we won't come to find that a portion of Lilly currently resides with Harry, and 
that it may be this portion that leaves Harry's body at the end.

Interesting, by the way, that some consider their progeny to provide a certain form of 
immortality for themselves, while LV appears never to have sought this as one of his many 
measures. 

I'm not really advocating for all this gibberish, but it made for a personally amusing 
meants to spend a few moments.