Ginny hexes / kinds of bigotry / Harry's Erised / what DD remembered
nrenka
nrenka at nrenka.yahoo.invalid
Wed Dec 21 15:08:06 UTC 2005
--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, silmariel <silmariel at t...>
wrote:
>
> Pippin in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_old_crowd/message/3494
>
> <<Voldemort's armies come from the communities of the downtrodden,
> the Giants and the werewolves, and from the dementors, who are
> created by suffering and misery, not by racial separatism.>>
>
> <snip>
>
> was an answer based of specifics regarding concrete canon, not
> general 'we are just rambling' talk. I don't find any reply to that
> points, that's where the discussion went on karma retribution and
> Draco.
Okay, here we go.
I find it a little hard to class the Giants unproblematically as
the 'downtrodden', given their fundamental violent nature (something
many a listie has brought up in the discussion of why Grawp was both
such a bad idea and an awful plot point.) Werewolves--a little. I
must admit that my perception of Pippin's agenda colors my perception
of her argument of this point, too. :) While I do see the theme of
werewolf persecution running through the books, I see it as a fairly
minor theme. If I represent her correctly, she believes that this is
a fundamental theme feeding into the ultimate revelation of ESE!
Lupin, which is going to be a major BANG! of book seven (and help
clear some of poor Snapeykin's name, too). I don't see it as having
been given that much structural weight. It's not even, IMO, as
emphasized as SPEW.
> But back to Pippin's message and specificy, where starts and ends
> WW blood ideology? are we to ignore the groups/species under
> Voldemort's command? what part slavery plays?
I've argued before, elsewhere, lost in the mists of time, that there
seems to be a connection (although not an *exclusive* one) between
pureblood ideology and the Dark Arts, and the attitudes towards the
non-human seem to connect from there. It works like this:
IF you believe in the pureblood ideology
THEN you are essentially superior to other beings
THEN no form of magical power should be off-limits to you
AND you should be able to do with others what you want
INCLUDING both people and non-human magical creatures
I read a coherent theme of high-handedness towards the rights and
persons of others considered inferior (Muggle-hunting, etc.) in the
pureblood ideology, and I see the Dark Arts (which violate others or
use them forcibly) to be in the same line.
But at least to me, the story of Voldemort is that it's discovering
his heritage and thinking of it in a particular way that catalyzes
his delving into various kinds of magic, and the entire project.
YMMV, but that's how I see Rowling having laid it out.
-Nora watches the poor dog sit at the window and complain about the
rain
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