bugger and All things Snape

pippin_999 foxmoth at pippin_999.yahoo.invalid
Mon Dec 26 22:05:33 UTC 2005


--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "olivierfouquet2000" <olivier.fouquet at p...> 
wrote:
>
> Nora wrote
> > Her comments about Lupin's exposure as a werewolf doing "irreparable 
> > damage to his prospects for a career in teaching" again make me 
> > wonder whether, in a different world, Lupin could have/would have 
> > resigned with his reputation intact.  Alas, given the "likes of 
> > Fenrir Greyback", things are not looking good for werewolves.  
> > Perhaps instead of ESE!Lupin, Heroic!Lupin will change society's 
> > views?
> 
> Indeed, this has been one of my pet counter-ESE!Lupin for a long time. The werewolves 
> discrimination intrigue could lead to a full recognition of Lupin as a valuable human 
being.  I don't usually speculate, but before HBP, it seemed plausible to me that Lupin 
could lead  the Order after Dumbledore's demise. I'd say this is less likely after HBP if only 
because  she said we weren't properly introduced to one of her favorite member of the 
Order yet  (CBBC interview). Who would that be? Looking at the people who were 
introduced though  not properly and yet definitely in the Order and definitely alive, I'd say 
Aberforth Dumbledore. For literary reasons, I'd expect the Order to collapse in Book 7 with 
Harry  getting individual help in his quest, and most prominently from Aberforth. We'll see.
> 
> Oh, and for the record, I have some difficulties understanding all the fuss about Snape. 
JKR  has been pretty consistent in her characterization of Snape, both in the books and in 
interviews: he isn't a nice guy and has told DD a story that convinced him he was against 
 Voldemort. Well, this seems perfectly in accordance with what we saw in HBP: he isn't a 
 nice guy, so he does things that aren't nice (like killing DD using an Unforgivable curse); 
 

Pippin:
That's just it, Olivier, it may be obvious that Snape killed Dumbledore, but it's
not airtight by any means. It's not obvious that he *didn't* do it, of course,
but then it wasn't obvious that Scabbers was more than a rat,  or that Ginny 
was a fireball who hadn't given up on Harry. 

As for Lupin, I'm afraid that society isn't likely to change their views about 
werewolves as long as Fenrir speaks for more of them than Lupin does. But
if that's where JKR is going, she's put herself in a bind by giving Lupin 
such an apparently passive role in the last two books. If he doesn't get 
over his passivity, he'll be unable to lead the werewolves, and if he does, 
he'll be a complete Gary Stu. So I think ESE!Lupin's probably the most 
interesting thing JKR can do with him.

Pippin








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