Re Apparate to Possess
confusinglyso
pjcousins at confusinglyso.yahoo.invalid
Fri Feb 18 19:55:16 UTC 2005
Responding to Kneasy Post 1158
I have thought of Possession as very accurate, focused Apparition,
ie the whole body, which also allows for 'Splinching' on departure.
Don't ask awkward questions about clothes, wands, spectacles, body
sizes etc, same questions apply to Animagi, especially Peter
Pettigrew and Rita Skeeter. It's Magic! ;-)
Kneasy, if I understand your thinking in post 1158, you are
considering only a 'mental' Possession. I think it's body and soul,
everything. Otherwise, at MoM, while LV is Possessing Harry, what
happens to LV's 'vacant' body. For example, Dumbledore, or Moody
with his roving eye, could find it and destroy it. LV then
(bodiless) stuck in Harry and my theory of 24 hours at Godric's
Hollow would have to replayed. LV's body was vacated at GH because
the body was hit by the bounced AK.
LV did challenge DD to 'Kill me now, Dumbledore...' while he was
Possessing Harry.
'If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy...' OoP page 720
UK.
Since this challenge is from LV, is it bluff, attempted trickery, or
fact ? Could he have been killed inside Harry ?
The following quote illustrates two points:-
Just prior to the challenge, OoP page 719 UK, the actual Possession:-
'Then Harry's scar ***burst open*** and he knew he was dead: it was
pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance -
He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature
with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his
body ended and the creature's began: they were fused together, bound
by pain, and there was no escape-
And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth, so that in his
agony he felt his jaw move...'
1. The scar bursts open as LV Possesses Harry. I think LV was using
the same entry/exit point as in GH.
2. "Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's
began: they were fused together, ". Does this line support
my understanding of 'Possession', ie total body of Possessor
involved, not solely mind control ?
Kneasy asks 'Why the palaver of the resurrection spell in the
graveyard... if a bit of Harry already in Voldy?'
Until the resurrection LV was relying on animals and Quirrell for a
body. These bodies had their own blood.
LV could not touch Harry until he had his own body, and his own
blood 'seeded' from Harry's blood.
I am making this up as I go along so how am I doing.
The 'fact' that LV already had a bit of Harry inside him, an unknown
number of brain cells, for the 'mind' link to work does not seem to
count against the AntiVoldy protection, because of the lack of
exclusively Voldy blood supply. Until proper resurrection LV was
Vapour!Mort and Baby!Mort yet still there were scar pains and
dreams/visions.
Since visions have been mentioned perhaps the following
quote helps respond to Pippin's Post 1132 that I tried to reply to
in Post 1140
OoP page 729 UK :-
'And this ability of yours - to detect Voldemort's presence, even
when he is disguised, and to know what he is feeling when his
emotions are roused - has become more and more pronounced since
Voldemort returned to his own body and his full powers.'
Note:
Throughout this discussion I am considering LV Possessing via
accurate Apparition, Kneasy's excellent theory of Possession of Tom
Riddle by Spirit of Salazar, starting in the Chamber of Secrets, I
am treating as a separate theory, not least because TR may have been
a willing participant in the partnership, having spent years
searching for the CoS, and presumably Salazar himself.
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