Re Apparate to Possess

confusinglyso pjcousins at confusinglyso.yahoo.invalid
Fri Feb 18 19:55:16 UTC 2005


Responding to Kneasy Post 1158
I have thought of Possession as very accurate, focused Apparition, 
ie the whole body, which also allows for 'Splinching' on departure.
Don't ask awkward questions about clothes, wands, spectacles, body 
sizes etc, same questions apply to Animagi, especially Peter 
Pettigrew and Rita Skeeter. It's Magic!  ;-)
Kneasy, if I understand your thinking in post 1158, you are 
considering only a 'mental' Possession. I think it's body and soul, 
everything. Otherwise, at MoM, while LV is Possessing Harry, what 
happens to LV's 'vacant' body. For example, Dumbledore, or Moody 
with his roving eye, could find it and destroy it. LV then 
(bodiless) stuck in Harry and my theory of 24 hours at Godric's 
Hollow would have to replayed. LV's body was vacated at GH because 
the body was hit by the bounced AK. 

LV did challenge DD to 'Kill me now, Dumbledore...'  while he was 
Possessing Harry.
'If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy...'    OoP page 720 
UK.
Since this challenge is from LV, is it bluff, attempted trickery, or 
fact ? Could he have been killed inside Harry ?

The following quote illustrates two points:-

Just prior to the challenge, OoP page 719 UK, the actual Possession:-
'Then Harry's scar ***burst open*** and he knew he was dead: it was 
pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance -
 He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature 
with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his 
body ended and the creature's began: they were fused together, bound 
by pain, and there was no escape-
  And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth, so that in his 
agony he felt his jaw move...'

1.  The scar bursts open as LV Possesses Harry. I think LV was using 
the same entry/exit point as in GH.

2.  "Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's 
began: they were fused together, ". Does this line support          
my understanding of 'Possession', ie total body of Possessor 
involved, not solely mind control ?


Kneasy asks 'Why the palaver of the resurrection spell in the 
graveyard...  if a bit of Harry already in Voldy?'
Until the resurrection LV was relying on animals and Quirrell for a 
body. These bodies had their own blood.
LV could not touch Harry until he had his own body, and his own 
blood 'seeded' from Harry's blood.
I am making this up as I go along so how am I doing.
The 'fact' that LV already had a bit of Harry inside him, an unknown 
number of brain cells, for the 'mind' link to work does not seem to 
count against the AntiVoldy protection, because of the lack of 
exclusively Voldy blood supply. Until proper resurrection LV was 
Vapour!Mort and Baby!Mort yet still there were scar pains and 
dreams/visions.
Since visions have been mentioned perhaps the following
quote helps respond to Pippin's Post 1132  that I tried to reply to 
in Post 1140
 OoP page 729 UK :-
'And this ability of yours - to detect Voldemort's presence, even 
when he is disguised, and to know what he is feeling when his 
emotions are roused - has become more and more pronounced since 
Voldemort returned to his own body and his full powers.'




Note:
Throughout this discussion I am considering LV Possessing via 
accurate Apparition, Kneasy's excellent theory of Possession of Tom 
Riddle by Spirit of Salazar, starting in the Chamber of Secrets, I 
am treating as a separate theory, not least because TR may have been 
a willing participant in the partnership, having spent years 
searching for the CoS, and presumably Salazar himself.








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