Re Apparate to Possess

[Barry Arrowsmith]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "confusinglyso" <pjcousins at b...> wrote:
> 
> Responding to Kneasy Post 1158
> I have thought of Possession as very accurate, focused Apparition, 
> ie the whole body, which also allows for 'Splinching' on departure.
> Don't ask awkward questions about clothes, wands, spectacles, body 
> sizes etc, same questions apply to Animagi, especially Peter 
> Pettigrew and Rita Skeeter. It's Magic!  ;-)
> Kneasy, if I understand your thinking in post 1158, you are 
> considering only a 'mental' Possession. I think it's body and soul, 
> everything. Otherwise, at MoM, while LV is Possessing Harry, what 
> happens to LV's 'vacant' body. For example, Dumbledore, or Moody 
> with his roving eye, could find it and destroy it. LV then 
> (bodiless) stuck in Harry and my theory of 24 hours at Godric's 
> Hollow would have to replayed. LV's body was vacated at GH because 
> the body was hit by the bounced AK. 
> 
> LV did challenge DD to 'Kill me now, Dumbledore...'  while he was 
> Possessing Harry.
> 'If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy...'    OoP page 720 
> UK.
> Since this challenge is from LV, is it bluff, attempted trickery, or 
> fact ? Could he have been killed inside Harry ?
> 
> The following quote illustrates two points:-
> 
> Just prior to the challenge, OoP page 719 UK, the actual Possession:-
> 'Then Harry's scar ***burst open*** and he knew he was dead: it was 
> pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance -
>  He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature 
> with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his 
> body ended and the creature's began: they were fused together, bound 
> by pain, and there was no escape-
>   And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth, so that in his 
> agony he felt his jaw move...'
> 

Kneasy:
Bit rushed, got visitors coming, please excuse any jumps in argument 
that you can't quite follow - I'm cutting explanations short to save time.

Bodies.
A very contentious issue.
There have been lots of questions about bodies apparently missing 
after the GH incident. Can't figure out the significance of there being
no mention either there or at the Ministry. 
Is absence of proof, proof of absence? We'll see.
There's no problem with a body join - except - why would Voldy
want to be in a 15 month old body? Always thought of that as a
bit of a handicap, it certainly was when he was in an equivalent
position in GoF.

As for not being able to tell where one ends and the other begins,
could be either of two explanations to my way of thinking.
Either yes, the bodies join, or one brain is processing sensations from
two bodies. Could it differentiate instantaneously?
We have some neuro experts among the members, what do they think?

I'm repeating a point, but just so there's no misunderstanding, I don't
believe Voldy tried to AK Harry at GH. Only one person ever says he does
and that's Crouch!Moody. Kill him, yes. AK? Only C!M says that. Do you 
trust him?
Harry as Harry would cease to exist if Voldy had his way, one definition
of death I suppose, but remember Sturgeon's Second Law -
"There's more ways to futter a cat than by sticking its head in a seaboot." 
Wise words.

And on Jo's site she made a point of saying that we should be asking why 
neither Harry nor Voldy died at GH. Easy. It wasn't an AK.

> 
> Kneasy asks 'Why the palaver of the resurrection spell in the 
> graveyard...  if a bit of Harry already in Voldy?'
> Until the resurrection LV was relying on animals and Quirrell for a 
> body. These bodies had their own blood.
> LV could not touch Harry until he had his own body, and his own 
> blood 'seeded' from Harry's blood.
> I am making this up as I go along so how am I doing.

Kneasy:
Not bad. 'Bout 7/10 by my reckoning.

> The 'fact' that LV already had a bit of Harry inside him, an unknown 
> number of brain cells, for the 'mind' link to work does not seem to 
> count against the AntiVoldy protection, because of the lack of 
> exclusively Voldy blood supply. Until proper resurrection LV was 
> Vapour!Mort and Baby!Mort yet still there were scar pains and 
> dreams/visions.

Kneasy:
Um.
I don't think cells have much to do with it. Could be wrong.
Voldy (or so we assume) was totally discoporated after GH. He certainly
was after PS. Yet Harry's protection still works.
I postulate that someones spirit or essence is individual enough to be
identified and to have an identifier.
And if it does for Voldy essence, why not for Harry essence? 
It wouldn't be unreasonable for Harry essence to be identifible by Harry
just as Voldy essence is identified by Harry.
So for the time being I'll stick with it being an invasion not an exchange.
Stubborn old bugger that I am.