A dastardly Voldy plan - was: Re: Lockets

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Dungrollin:
> Hmm. I'm not convinced that any of the other Horsepox could do what
> the diary did, which is why the diary was left (as a weapon) with
> Lucius, and why the others (locket/ring etc) were hidden and
> protected (if poorly).


Dungrollin, we made the same points yesterday, and here you are
again, expressing myself far more coherently than I ever do:

<snip off all but the most key point>
>
> Moreover, why would Voldy want a load of extra Voldys popping up
all
> over the place when he'd put his Headstucks into circulation?

Kimberly:

No way he would *intentionally* create spares of himself that can act
independantly of the original. They would basically be totally
separate entities, his equal in magic and power (I assume, or what
would be the point?), and with the same ambitions and nastiness, and
would, therefore, set out immediately to get rid of the original.
After all, we know he works alone, and doesn't want buddies. So
instead of just having to deal with that annoying Potter boy, he'd
suddenly be at war with himself, and possibly more than one of
himself. And at varying ages, too, if the Riddle from the diary is
any indication. I doubt he'd want to fight his younger, fitter
self.

And horse-chuckin's not easy, if Sluggy's memory is any indication
(which it might not be), so I don't think you could really just
accidentally make one.


Snow:

JKR's website offers a bit of an information about the Diary-Horcrux:

"In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died 
and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary?
I can't answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it 
would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably."

Interesting that Diary!Tom would have strengthened the present-day 
Voldy, but how? Wouldn't they, like you said Kim, be two separate 
persons? Maybe the Horcrux reincarnation portion of Voldy seeks out 
its creator and rejoins him. 

Lets say that Nagini had been made keeper of a piece of Voldy-soul 
before his downfall. Vapormort went to Albania because that is where 
he had left his dear snaky-Horcrux in the likelihood that one day he 
may need to reconnect with a piece of his soul for rejuvenation. 
Young Tom tells Dumbledore that he can speak to snakes and that they 
seek him out (ahh young Tom's first playmates) so it would be fitting 
that he would allow a snake to guard a piece of his soul along with 
the fact that a snake is the emblem of his families heritage. 

The Horcrux!Nagini fed Vapormort transforming him into the snakelike 
babymort. Voldy was able to use Nagini to become something more than 
vapor but didn't have to physically join with the snake. Now if Diary!
Tom would have become fully realized would he have joined with his 
creator to make him stronger in a similar fashion to Nagini's 
helpfulness? Is Voldy, being the creator of the Horcrux's, the master 
controller of all remaining bits of soul that will do his bidding if 
someone or some thing unleashes the soul from its hiding place? 
 
I thought that the Horcrux was created as an immortality measure that 
simply prohibits the mother source of Voldy's soul to truly die
but 
it appears that these bits of soulcrux'es can be used to strengthen 
the creator as well if they are introduced to a human source (or 
soul) for rejuvenation. Ginny would have been the sacrificial soul 
that allowed the Horcrux of the Diary to become a living soul once 
more. 

What would have happened to Dumbledore if he had not taken the ring 
off and what would have happened to and for the Horcrux of the ring 
if Dumbledore had died as a result? Perhaps it would have been 
another version of Tom Riddle at whatever age he was at the time that 
he hid that particular piece of soul in the ring.
 
Could it be that the protections surrounding the Horcrux items are 
not protections for the Horcrux but a way in which to bring the bit 
of soul, which resides in the item, to life if it is tampered with? 
This type of protection insurance would kill the perpetrator thereby 
giving some type of life to the Horcrux. 

Snow