Dumbledore's Unspeakable Word.
fritter_my_wig
eloiseherisson at fritter_my_wig.yahoo.invalid
Mon Jun 13 07:47:54 UTC 2005
> "Had Frank or Alice thrown themselves in front of Neville, however,
the
> killing curse would have rebounded just as it did in Harry's case,
and
> Neville would have been the one who survived with the lightning
scar."
> (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=84)
Kneasy:
> >Remember way back? When the more romantically inclined were
positing
> >that Harry was saved at GH by the power of Lily's love?
GulPlum AKA Richard:
> Other than a small minority, the general consensus was that her
willingness
> to sacrifice herself is what saved him. A willingness born of love,
> incidentally. So with one remove, yes, it was her love which saved
him.
Kneasy:
> >Turned out not to be the case, for it to work within the books it
would
> >imply that Lily loved more than any other mother in the WW. No, it
was
> >magic that saved Harry. I sense the same sorts of argument
surfacing here
> >- "Oh, it's love." Just show me how Harry loves more or has more
love than
> >say, Molly has for her family.
<big snip>
Nope, sorry, I just
> >don't see anything exceptional in Harry so far as love is
concerned.
GulPlum:
> I agree that it's corny and I agree that it's bizarre (and perhaps
even
> patronising), but that's the explanation Herself gave.
<snip>
>
> You're forgetting about one detail, though. I don't think that JKR
is
> presenting Harry (or, indeed, Lily) as being more loving than most
people.
Eloise:
I was contemplating this subject in the bath this morning and then
came down to find this post.
You know, I wonder if this isn't the crux. There *was* nothing
inherently special about Lily's sacrifice. Yet something that in a
way is ordinary and everyday is even more powerful than unblockable
curse that the WW deems Unforgivable.
Omnia vincit amor may have come to be a cliche, but in this context,
it's also empowering and, I think, moral. Something for which every
person, every child, has the capacity is capable of overcoming
everything. A child reading these books will never be in the position
of battling a Dark wizard, but they are daily in situations where
they can either act out of what some of us would term 'love' whether
for family, friends or humanity, or they can simply look to their own
interests.
In other words, these books are about imaginary magic, which is fun
to read about, but in itself can teach us nothing. The *real* magic,
which every child can access, lies within each of us.
Corny and cliched maybe, but I don't think we can discount it from
JKR's thinking. Love does seem to be the theme of quite a lot of
literature, there's no reason JKR should be exempt just because it's
been done before. Whether the outcome of the series is a cliche
depends on how it's written.
GulPlum:
A vast number
> of the theories floating around the internet have been created by
people
> desperately trying to plug gaps in JKR's plotting or writing,
adding levels
> of complexity I'm sure she never planned. I know it's a facile
argument,
> but these books are, after all, marketed at kids (and despite
anything JKR
> says, her public appearances to date have always been to audiences
of
> children, and she has never acknowledged her adult fan base in
terms of
> event planning).
Eloise:
I agree totally (and got taken for task over on Main for even daring
to suggest that there were inconsistencies in the books!)
I have to say, though, that it does seem very strange that no-one
else in the WW ever threw themself in front of someone they wanted to
save and that the protective power of such a sacrifice hadn't been
noted before. I mean, James presumably essentially did the same
thing, yet sacrificing himself didn't save Lily.
I wonder if this element of the plot reflects the fact that it was
during writing PS/SS that JKR both lost her own mother and became one
herself, encountering for the first time with wonderment that sudden
*knowing* that there is another being in the world for whom you would
unthinkingly give up your life.
BTW, are we assuming that we are going to *see* behind the door at
some point? Because if we do, then we are going to have to see some
kind of emodiment of whatever the power is and my betting is that
cliche or not, it's going to have something to do with Lily.
~Eloise
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