"But what I don't understand, Inspector..."
GulPlum
hp at gulplum.yahoo.invalid
Tue Jun 14 01:36:32 UTC 2005
Y'know, it's a bit strange that this general "theorising" thread popped up
today. As I've indicated in a few of my messages since my return a few days
ago, I've been slowly but surely clearing out a backlog of emails I've not
had a chance to read (over 500 of 'em!). Today I've been going through some
threads from February, when this very topic came up (in a very similar
thread, discussing Possession Theory). :-) As I've been jumping from old
messages to new ones (as they arrive) I've had at least two moments of not
being sure whether I've been reading new threads or old ones... As this
message arrived, I was reading what Neri said in msg 1186 (quick link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_old_crowd/message/1186). I felt as if
we're doomed to repeat the same arguments over the same theories forever
(or until Book 6 gives us some salient facts for some people to change
their minds, whichever is sooner...). In particular, the metaphor of the
jigsaw puzzle I mentioned yesterday was already done to death. :-)
At 15:32 13/06/05 , Barry Arrowsmith wrote:
<snip>
>Jo has created a marvellously complex and
>detailed world, so much so that some have a hankering to prise the back
>off and see what makes it tick. Tinkerers, that's what they are. How the bits
>fit together, what drives them, is the way they are presented a true
>representation of the plot arc or can they be made to slot together
>differently? And is there a bit of the old smoke and mirrors in play,
>should we be watching what her other hand is up to?
Except that, as has been stated over and over again, JKR's universe is not
entirely consistent. Some of the old threads I was reading earlier today
(sorry, I've deleted them and finding them again isn't easy) went into this
issue in more detail, so I won't bother repeating the arguments or
examples, all of which we know. But a relevant point worth repeating when
it comes to theory building and attempting to slot the pieces of that
universe together in the order Herself intends, never mind any other, is
that, given JKR's tendency to leave things unsaid all over the place and
her simultaneous tendency to make mistakes means that we simply don't know
which bits are clues and which bits are mistakes. Hence the importance of
her non-book statements which occasionally clarify things. And hence the
need to be ultra-careful about which bits of canon a theory manages to glue
together, and which bits it doesn't.
>We've known from early on that Jo is a devotee of whodunnits - Aggie
>Christie - and judging by the bookshelf on her site, Dorothy L. Sayers too.
>Encouraging indications that there may well be more surprises in store,
>that all is not what it seems. The classical whodunnit always had surprises
>saved for the final few chapters, maybe a shocking revelation, but more
>usually an heretofore unconsidered trifle turns out to be critically
>important.
Except that, as you yourself stated in the thread I referenced above,
Aggie's whodunnits are very unsatisfying for the reader because she always
keeps a vital piece of information to which whichever Sleuth the story
features has access, but the reader doesn't. And her plots frequently
involve such leaps of logic that the thing simply doesn't make sense. I
gave up on reading whodunnit fiction a great many years ago because they
almost inevitably use the same tricks. One of my expectations when reading
a "mystery" is that I should be entitled to beat the sleuth to the truth;
my preference nowadays is for heist or con artist type stories which depend
on a twist at the end (sure, they're all formulaic, but the formula at
least allows space for reader deduction of what the twist might entail).
The HP books fit this mould: we can't really guess whodunnit (JKR always
keeps a vital piece of information until the end), but we can attempt to
guess what the twist might entail. And then there are the "big" mysteries
at the core of the series itself, which I believe to be guessable not
because of the mechanics of the Magical World, but the themes covered.
>Jo herself adds substance to such possibilities -
>"I love a good whodunnit and my passion is plot construction.
>Readers love to be tricked but not conned."
>
>To assume that any trickery and obfuscation ceased with book 5 is a bit
>unimaginative IMO. At a rough estimate there are still 1000+ pages to
>come. Even allowing a generous 100 pages for resolution, tying up loose
>ends and explication, that still leaves a lot of space to be filled; it
>can't all
>be Snape snarling and Harry being petulant, can it? Plenty of room for more
>dirty work at the cross-roads and a few more red herrings to waft their
>deceptive scents across the noses of bloodhound fans.
Well, JKR did say at some point (sorry, too lazy to look it) that it's time
to start providing answers rather than ask more questions, but I agree
that there's still plenty of scope for obfuscation.
<snip>
>And what does an enthusiast of mysteries
>generally do? Try to beat the author to the punch, to deduce the solution
>before having it explained in the final wash-up. And roughly, that's what
>theorising is about. But to do it some 'facts' have to be regarded as fluid,
>incomplete, not seen in their true context, even deliberately misleading.
>Fine, so turn 'em on their heads, slot 'em back into the equation and
>estimate what the effect will be.
Except, as I said above, when the entire mystery is to be unravelled in one
work created fluidly, with clues, hints and (of course) red herrings
judiciously placed in one creative spurt, the probability for making
mistakes is fairly limited. When the creative process is dragged out over a
decade in full view of eagle-eyed critical analysts, and the Author is
clearly more interested in the clues, etc, she's deliberately leaving
around while not paying as close attention to mechanical details in a
mechanically incoherent universe, the issue is to determine which are which.
>And the resultant speculations range from
>the possible via the unlikely to the just plain loopy. Personally I relish
>reading a well thought out theory, no matter how unlikely. You can't help
>but admire some of the analyses/constructions from the fertile minds
>that contribute to the boards, even while accepting that they're gonna be
>wrong - probably - possibly - or - let me think about that one a bit more.
I agree entirely. There have been very few theories which I consider to be
even possible, and fewer which I consider to be even slightly probable. I
do, however, like and admire the intellectual game of putting together a
theory which is both internally and externally (i.e. thematically)
consistent. And the vast majority of them are not.
>It's the plot construction that matters; the whys, wherefores, motivations,
>possible hidden agendas, all skillfully concealed by authorial sleight-of-
>hand but ultimately deducible that fascinates.
Ahh, but *are* they ultimately deducible? I don't think any of the
who-how-why mysteries in the individual books to date were deducible before
Harry received the key piece of information right at the end, *after* the
"who" had revealed themselves and explained the "how". And we normally need
some extra input (generally from Dumbledore's debriefing) to guess the
"why". It's only in retrospect that we can see where the clues were
leading, because they are so often couched in what is NOT said or done.
Heck, it's difficult enough at times to determine just what the central
mystery is, never mind who's responsible. The one thing we do know is that
it's never the individual Harry suspects.
A few examples:
Quirrell can't touch Harry, but why are we to deduce that this is salient,
considering few people shake his hand or otherwise touch him (the
stereotype of the non-tactile Brit has a huge element of truth in it).
We don't even know that the central mystery in CoS is not the Chamber
itself; but who's attacking the pupils (and yet more importantly, how). And
we have no basis to assume that Ginny is responsible until we're told.
Perhaps we should see significance in PoA when we're informed that Scabbers
has a toe missing when the kids are in Diagon Alley (or that the shopkeeper
wonders about any power he might have), but this, the first time we're
informed that Scabbers isn't whole, is part of the description of his being
run down. And the lessons about Animagi only become important in
retrospect. Unlike Hermione, we don't have information about lunar cycles
to correlate with Lupin's illnesses, so we can't guess at his condition.
(Small digression: last spring, my brother-in-law spent some time in
hospital and I suggested he read the HP books to while away the time,
insisting that he'll want to read them again when he finished if he hadn't
got out yet. I visited him when he was half-way through PoA - just before
Snape finds the Map - and grilled him about where he thought the plot was
going. He insisted that Lupin's illnesses were connected to Scabbers' in
some way [not bad!] but that Lupin was Polyjuiced!Black and his illness was
the transformation going wrong because he'd been maintaining it for too
long. As far from the eventual outcome as that was, it was consistent with
what was going on. I told him to bear those thoughts in mind - by the time
he was halfway through GoF, he'd guessed that Polyjuice came into it, but
he didn't know how. End of digression.)
OK, after three books, perhaps we should be starting to learn JKR's tricks,
but should we have guessed that Polyjuice will be the "how" of one of the
mysteries in GoF? Or that of the characters seen in the Pensieve, it's
Crouch Jnr. we should be thinking about for the "who"? Or that Voldy would
need to wait the whole year (for reason which still have to be fully
explained) to get his hands on Harry rather than grabbing him at the QWC?
By the time OotP came out, things had changed. The fandom had had three
years to think about some things, not to mention that the number of readers
ballooned as a result of the first movie. So whilst we couldn't guess that
the prophecy orb would be the main "why" until it was too late, we'd
already worked out the gist of the first prophecy and the importance of the
room of Requirement. Not to mention that Neville was hiding something, or
that Hagrid was off to see the giants, or what the Order was. Oh, and
Sirius was high on the list for "the death". I suspect that all of this
pre-analysis was one of the reasons I was disappointed in the book. Was
everything really so obvious, or did it just seem to be because of the
hours and months of discussions? (The one thing I felt was well done was
the one thing nobody could have guessed, namely Umbridge.)
So now, waiting for HBP, we have lots of ideas floating around, and lots of
ideas of what bits of OotP may have been clues, but I'm fairly sure that
nobody will be able to guess which until it's too late. Heck, we're nowhere
near a consensus on who the dratted titular royal personage might be.
>Of course I may be wildly wrong in my assessment of what HP is, I admit
>that - though I have noticed that there are a few among those who take the
>resolutely bread-and-butter approach who rarely seem to acknowledge
>the possibility of error on their part. The theorists are just being
>"silly" or
>"ridiculous". So what if they are? No extra points for imposing orthodoxy,
>is there?
Well, seeing as the point of the intellectual game upon which we're all
embarked, in this respect, is to guess the outcome before it happens, it
helps if the theorists are honest about their expectations for success, and
accept that their pet theory *probably* won't come to pass. Whilst I'm
happy to discuss more far-fetched theorising, I do not consider it part of
an effort to discover the secret, but an intellectual game to while away
the hours. And it's important to distinguish between the two.
>To the serial offender Harry's trials and tribulations, even the final
>resolution *of itself* is less important than the style, dexterity and ...
>um...
>satisfying completeness (for want of a better phrase) of how it is achieved,
>the eventual realisation, the "Ah! So that's what that meant!" moment.
I would add that this is true of each individual book, and one of the
reasons why so many people have read each of the books so many times
(personally, I've read each of the five to date twice through from
beginning to end, and apart from the odd dip into them looking for bits &
pieces, I cannot manage to read any of them through a third time - bear in
mind that my re-reads were slow and deliberate affairs).
>It's probably asking too much to expect that every loose end is neatly tied,
>that there won't be many a question paralleling the classic "But what I
>don't understand, Inspector, ....." but all the major wrinkles will be ironed
>out at the very least. As for the minor ones - well, we can always speculate.
I maintain that what I term "holistic" theories will come into their own
only after Book Seven is published, when attempts will have to be made to
iron out all of those wrinkles. Because wrinkles there will be, I'm
absolutely certain. And some of them, I fear, will be fairly significant.
Discussions at that stage will take on a different tenor because there
will, effectively, not be a "right answer"; the story will have been told,
and all that will remain will be fixing things in retrospect rather than
looking forward. I fully expect that some of the theories currently
floating around which will have been neither proved nor disproved by the
end of Book Seven will re-appear in some modified form.
ESE!Lupin, for instance, depending on Lupin's behaviour in and impact on
the remaining plot arc, might never be proved, but at the same time, it
might not be *dis*proved, leaving it open to modification for use as an
explanation for some of the niggles some people have. Discussions at that
point will be pure fun, and won't serve any actual plot purpose inasmuch as
we won't need it to work out any remaining plot.
One snail may yet remain in the ointment, though, because JKR may decide to
go through the books and prepare a Second Edition (a la Tolkien, etc) in
which various mistakes, etc. discovered by readers would be ironed out (at
least, those fixable by re-writing individual scenes rather than whole
books or the whole plot arc). I think JKR has even hinted that she may do
this one day.
Of course, the fun will then *really* begin, because the die-hard fans will
go to town on the Second Edition and re-modify their pet theories to make
them fit the new facts. Such is the wonderful world of lit crit!
--
Richard AKA GulPLum, who's spent too much of the day reading old posts and
thus hasn't had time to write many.
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