Re: The Prophecy From Voldemort’s POV (long)

[fhmaneely]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" 
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Kneasy:
> 
> > << And where in the Prophecy does it mention the transfer of 
powers
> > that Voldy's little helper couldn't warn him about? It doesn't so 
> far
> > as I can see, yet DD acts as if it were an unavoidable adjunct to
> > Voldy's actions at GH. >>
> > 
> > Maybe there is special wizarding jargon that we Muggles don't 
know 
> in
> > which 'mark as an equal' MEANS 'transfer powers to'. :)
> > 
> > << Dunno if you remember, but about a year back there was a 
> discussion
> > on HPfGU that resulted in great wailings and gnashings of teeth 
for
> > some, and blank incomprehension for others. All about 
> the 'morality'
> > of Harry killing Voldy and how doing so would 'stain' 
or 'pollute' 
> his
> > noble character. Ah well, takes all sorts, I suppose. The argument
> > seems pretty pointless, 'cos if the Prophecy is to be taken at 
face
> > value it'll be Harry or nobody. He's the one with the power; 
nobody
> > else - not DD, Dung or Daedelus Diggle - Harry. (Assuming that the
> > Prophecy is about him.) >>
> 
> Catlady:
> 
> > IIRC the argument began about whether there is any way to 
> permanently
> > vanquish Voldy and make sure he never harms anyone again other 
> than to
> > kill him, not about whether someone other than the Prophecy Boy 
> should
> > kill him.
> 
> I missed all that on HPFGU.  I think, however, there is undoubtedly 
> a valid debate to be had here.
> 
> At the end of POA, JKR made it part of the ethics of the story that 
> killing is not a valid way to achieve an end.  By Harry's own 
words, 
> he would make himself a murderer by killing Voldemort.  
Dumbledore's 
> reluctance to share the prophecy with Harry is based, as I 
> understand it, on the idea that both *apparent* alternatives - kill 
> or be killed - are equally awful.
> 
> The task JKR has set herself, then, is to come up with a way of 
> permanently neutralising Voldemort, consistent with the prophecy, 
> that does not leave Harry morally compromised.  Harry's use of 
> Cruciatus in the MOM suggests she will push this one to the wire.
> 
> David

Fran: the prophecy states "power to defeat" not power to kill. IMO 
Harry will defeat LV but not kill him.  I defeated an someone in a 
tennis match but I didn't kill him.