Re: The Prophecy From Voldemort’s POV (long)

[fhmaneely]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at y...> 
wrote:
> > > David:
> > > I missed all that on HPFGU.  I think, however, there is 
undoubtedly 
> > > a valid debate to be had here.
> > > 
> > > At the end of POA, JKR made it part of the ethics of the story 
that 
> > > killing is not a valid way to achieve an end.  By Harry's own 
> > words, 
> > > he would make himself a murderer by killing Voldemort.  
> > Dumbledore's 
> > > reluctance to share the prophecy with Harry is based, as I 
> > > understand it, on the idea that both *apparent* alternatives - 
kill 
> > > or be killed - are equally awful.
> > > 
> > > The task JKR has set herself, then, is to come up with a way of 
> > > permanently neutralising Voldemort, consistent with the 
prophecy, 
> > > that does not leave Harry morally compromised.  Harry's use of 
> > > Cruciatus in the MOM suggests she will push this one to the 
wire.
> 
> 
> > Fran: the prophecy states "power to defeat" not power to kill. 
IMO 
> > Harry will defeat LV but not kill him.  I defeated an someone in 
a 
> > tennis match but I didn't kill him.
> 
> Neri:
> But the prophecy also says "and either must die by the hand of the
> other". This is a bit more difficult to wriggle out of, but still
> possible.
> 
> One way can be if "the hand" is a person, Peter for example. I had
> this theory, which might be termed The Shylock Effect: after the
> graveyard, Voldy sharing blood with Harry makes them vulnerable to
> each other (don't ask me why, but DD's famous gleam hints as much).
> However, Voldy shares blood also with Peter, because a severed hand
> contains more than several drops of blood. Voldy is thus also
> vulnerable to Peter, although he doesn't realize it. After Harry 
will
> vanquish Voldy in the more metaphorical sense, Peter can finish the
> dirty work, while (naturally) saving Harry's life and paying his 
debt.
> This can be made to work nicely in several levels.
> 
> And yes, I know it's too LOTR, but I can't help it, and it seems JKR
> can't either. She might deny it, but DD's speech in the end of PoA 
> about why it was OK to spare Wormtail is too similar to Gandalf's
> speech about why Bilbo did the right thing when sparing Gollum. 
> 
> Neri

I was not thinking about the dying at the hand of the other part 
obviously. I can't help thinking that LV will not die but will be 
conquered. DD said there were fates worse than death. Sometimes I 
wonder is about 2 different things. Way out there I know....
Fran