From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Tue Dec 5 04:20:13 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 04:20:13 -0000 Subject: FILK: Change 'Em To Rock Message-ID: Here's my first 2006 HP Xmas filk - and if you post a new Xmas filk here between now and Dec. 25., I will immediately upload it to the Very Harry Christmas page. http://home.att.net/~coriolan/Christmas.htm I looked around for an Xmas carol that hadn't been filked yet, and came up with this: Change `Em to Rock to the tune of Jingle Bell Rock A You-Tube performance ? ignore the visual! ? here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS_I4Yd3CJM THE SCENE: Hogwarts' plumbing. THE BASILISK takes a page from Mary Poppins' robin ("He knows a song/Will move the job along"), and sings a merry tune to itself as it goes about its sinister doings .. BASILISK: Change `em all, change `em all, change `em to rock How they will shine when adamantine Smelling and yelling for rivers of blood For the Chamber op'd with a thud! Give em a, give `em a, give `em a shock Basilisk eyes will cats paralyze Scaring and tearing in the Entrance Hall Making flesh to crawl. What a dark time, it's a stark crime To knock off Headless Nick Turned into smoke, he will soon croak As will Justin and that Granger chick Giddy-up basilisk, death we will eat Riddle will not be mocked Hiss and a-slither to a Slytherin beat As I change `em to As I change `em to As I change `em to rock! - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 7 03:46:40 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:46:40 -0000 Subject: FILK: Fly Quidditch Message-ID: Fly Quidditch To the tune of Elvis Presley's Blue Christmas Dedicated to Potioncat A You-Tube performance here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsEUeF1077M THE SCENE: Year Six - GINNY'S room in Gryffindor, as she reacts to the news that Harry has been suspended from Quidditch for the season. GINNY: I'll have to fly Quidditch without you I'll have to snatch the Snitches without you In detention with Snape in a damp dungeon drear You won't be Seeker for the rest of the year. And when those three Chasers start chasing That's when my one pulse will be racing You've been forced to depart, but you're still in my heart But I'll have to fly ? bye, my guy! - Quidditch (Instrumental Break) I will Ravenclaw rip, but will I gain a ship? When I have to fly ? dry my sigh! ? Quidditch . - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm A VERY HARRY CHRISTMAS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/Christmas.htm From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Tue Dec 12 00:28:13 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:28:13 -0000 Subject: FILK: We Came Upon A Dark Mark Here Message-ID: We Came Upon A Dark Mark Here (HBP, Chap. 27) To the tune of It Came Upon a Midnight Clear Here's a MIDI: http://www.links2love.com/christmas_songs_a_midnight_clear.htm Dedicated to Ginger THE SCENE: High Street, Hogsmeade. HARRY reacts to the sighting of the Dark Mark over Hogwarts. HARRY: We came upon a Dark Mark here The skull and snake's green glow "A screaming comes across the sky," Like Gravity's Rainbow. Straight from the cave we hence arrived Where fierce Inferi did spook And Dumbledore became quite ill I hope he will not puke. Lord Voldemort attacks our school Our towers lightning-struck Tonight, perhaps, we'll lose this war - Of all the rotten luck. We cannot dial 9-1-1 To halt this threatened doom I'll use the famous Accio spell And fetch Rosmerta's brooms "Once more into the breach, dear friends!" As good King Henry said. I vow I will the people save, Unless they're already dead. Now Dumble says when we return To bring him Snape, and quick! I hope that Snape restores his health, Though he still makes me sick. - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm A VERY HARRY CHRISTMAS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/Christmas.htm From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 14 04:14:45 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:14:45 -0000 Subject: FILK: Go Spill It In The Fountain Message-ID: Go Spill It In The Fountain (OOP, Chap. 9) To the tune of Go Tell It On the Mountain A You-Tube performance here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsLjtLeHJeo Dedicated to Heidi Tandy THE SCENE: The Atrium of the Ministry of Magic. HARRY, rejoicing in his exoneration, repays a promised debt. HARRY: Go spill it in the fountain, Empty the bag of every coin Go spill it in the fountain, I will not be expelled. When I came to this hearing I thought all hope was lost I cried, "O Brethren, spare me!" I don't care what it costs. Go spill it in the fountain, Ev'ry Knut & Galleon Tho' the tension was mountin' I will not be expelled. The statues look quite foolish Non-humans cringe and bow - No time to be a critic! To them I made my vow Go spill it in the fountain, Ev'ry Knut & Galleon Don't even bother countin' I shall not be expelled. It says that to St. Mungo's All proceeds will be sent. For charity this quarter I will not be outspent Go spill it in the fountain, I'll go back to Hogwarts School Go spill it in the fountain, I will not be expelled. - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm A VERY HARRY CHRISTMAS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/Christmas.htm From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 15 03:03:07 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:03:07 -0000 Subject: FILK: Azkaban Message-ID: Not an Xmas filk this time...... Azkaban To the tune of Ray Stevens' Guitarzan A You-Tube recording here (Stevens' recording with boring visuals): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGxXQU6bw4 or (a concert performance) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErnDPzUG6Y4 THE SCENE: A courtyard within Azkaban. Just as the late Johnny Cash used to perform at Folsom Prison, so too would magic vocalist STUBBY BOARDMAN interrupt his retirement to sing at occasional benefit concerts at Azkaban Prison. This particular concert took place during Harry's second year, while HAGRID was briefly incarcerated. NOTE: Dementors find Boardman's music to be totally "retro", and so they did not attend his performance, thus missing out on all the valuable information contained in his song. STUBBY BOARDMAN: He's serving lifetime For doing a crime His cell is a kennel when he's a canine Animagic design Even though he's confined, he'll decline to whine. They say he's Voldy's heir - "Yeah, right," hear him swear. He's a hound who'll prepare to depart with a flair, Simply vanish in air. "Kinfolk said, `Black, move away from there!'" He found a *Prophet* crossword to pursue Then chanced to view an old pal, Pettigrew And knew the double-crossin' rat debuted with the crew of that You- Know-Who, Who all got Black subdued & framed for murder, too! Get him, get him, get him, get him! Owww! Azkaban, he's in Azkaban A place he can't stand But he's a plan, Azkaban PADFOOT (howling): Ow-woo-wow-oo-wow! Ow-woo-wow-oo-wow! , etc. STUBBY: They got a girl named Bell She's mean as hell With a Crucio spell And thinks Voldy's pretty swell She would love to rebel But she's stuck in her cell When she casts her curse She really does her worst So the fellers tell Come on, cast one, Bell! BELLATRIX: Voldy, Voldy, oh Voldy, ska-vaa-vooo-volley-vay, Voldy, wow Voldy, etc. STUBBY: How about that, let's hear it for Bell! (At STUBBY'S cue, HAGRID steps forward ? he is looking highly disoriented, and, under the stress of Azkaban's dementors, has reverted to a rather Grawp-like condition ..) They've got a groundkeeper who likes Creepy creatures, he's a kind o' weeper As he's getting in deeper Come on, your turn, guy! Sing one, `keeper! HAGRID (Grawp-like): Ooh-ha-ooh-ha-ooh-ha-ooh-ha-ooh-ha, etc. STUBBY: Let's hear it for the `keeper! Ev'ry day it's torment they get from dementors Bell gets bent and the `keeper laments The dog's not content He will never relent Till he's found the scent Of that Pete rodent, let's hear him vent! Let's hear `em right now! (PADFOOT, BELLATRIX & HAGRID all sing simultaneously) PADFOOT (howling): Ow-woo-wow-oo-wow! Ow-woo-wow-oo-wow! , etc. BELLATRIX: Voldy, Voldy, oh Voldy, ska-vaa-vooo-volley Voldy, oh Voldy, etc. HAGRID (Grawp-like): Ooh-ha-ooh-ha-ooh-ha-ooh-ha-ooh-ha, etc. BELLATRIX (spoken): Shut up, you damn mutt, I'm trying to curse! STUBBY: Get him, get him, get him, get him! Owww! Azkaban, it'll mangle, man! A place he can't stand But he's a plan, Azkaban!........ - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm From katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 15 03:27:17 2006 From: katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid (Kat Macfarlane) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:27:17 -0800 Subject: Happy Holidays! Message-ID: <008801c71ff9$016284e0$482fdcd1@...> The fur children and I wish all of you the happiest of holiday seasons! http://www.katmac.cncdsl.com/WarmAndSnugglyHolidays2006.htm --Gatta, Tommy, Marvin, George, and Jane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 15 05:31:41 2006 From: ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid (ewe2) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:31:41 +1100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: <008801c71ff9$016284e0$482fdcd1@...> References: <008801c71ff9$016284e0$482fdcd1@...> Message-ID: <91d14f320612142131n653b00fld07dd7169d865e05@...> On 12/15/06, Kat Macfarlane wrote: > The fur children and I wish all of you the happiest of holiday seasons! > > http://www.katmac.cncdsl.com/WarmAndSnugglyHolidays2006.htm > > --Gatta, Tommy, Marvin, George, and Jane > Hear Hear, Miaow Miaow, and a merry xmas penguin Eek likewise :D -- Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best From erisedstraeh2002 at erisedstraeh2002.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 15 19:36:12 2006 From: erisedstraeh2002 at erisedstraeh2002.yahoo.invalid (Phyllis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 19:36:12 -0000 Subject: FILK: Deck the Halls with Heads of House Elves Message-ID: We can't let CMC have all the Christmas filking fun ... FILK: Deck the Halls with Heads of House Elves (if you need to ask, it's to the tune of "Deck the Halls with Boughs of Holly") Deck the halls with heads of house elves Fa la la la la la la la la To their snouts let's add some sleigh bells Fa la la la la la la la la If you serve Mrs. Black the tea Fa la la la la la la la la One axe chop ? and forever free! Cheers, Phyllis From talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 16 21:59:26 2006 From: talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid (Talisman) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:59:26 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: <91d14f320612142131n653b00fld07dd7169d865e05@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, in response to Gatta, ewe2 wrote: > Hear Hear, Miaow Miaow, and a merry xmas penguin Eek likewise :D Talisman responds: Eek indeed! It's a fine thing when one comes along,--minding one's own business, I might add--and finds a couple of uppity sun-bunnies dominating all the Holiday well-wishing. Trying to show the rest of us up are you? Think you're better than the thermally challenged? Well, I won't have it! Happy Holidays to you too! So there. And to the rest of you slackers, as well. Actually, few weeks back, I was setting up activities to help a young person further appreciate the tilt of the Earth--charting the shrinking days, and that sort of thing--when I had the regrettably insular epiphany that it's really a rather steamy time down there, for our Ewe. It seems the Aussies are unwilling to comply with the upcoming Winter Solstice. Oh, no, in spite of the fact that the calendar clearly says December, they're going ahead with summer. I even hear (though I trust true geeks would resist) that it's customary to have Christmas "on the beach!" Well, I suppose Australia *proper* is closer to the Equator than Antarctica--but the same can't be said for that unruly Bendigo region, where there is good evidence of penguins among the populace. Under the circumstances, I was stunned by a vision of our flippery lad, all slathered up in sun block and topped with a sprig of holly. Then came a wave of compassion; I thought wildly about the possibility of creating "season zones," sort of like "time zones," only ...um...seasonal... To allow the poor souls in that "other" hemisphere a proper holiday. Unfortunately, I think time zones are moronic artifacts of the twentieth-century, so--in all good conscience--I had to abandon the plan. ::sigh:: Ewe, darling, if you *must* hang your stocking from a beach umbrella, I guess I can bear it, but if I hear you're smuggling warm eggnog out there in your Speedo... Merry Everything! From, Talisman, in the unseasonably warm Great Lakes Region, where it's pomegranate-champagne cocktails and a blazing fire on the evening of the 21st, whether the snow cooperates, or not. From katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 16 23:52:55 2006 From: katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid (Kat Macfarlane) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:52:55 -0800 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Happy Holidays! References: Message-ID: <003801c7216d$66681ec0$482fdcd1@...> Well, actually Gatta isn't a sun bunny. She lives in Santa Cruz, CA, where the temperature is in the 40s, the weather is rainy, and Jane and George are snuggling on the sofa because it's the best way to keep warm. Merry Solstice to you too! Purrs! --Gatta --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, in response to Gatta, ewe2 wrote: > Hear Hear, Miaow Miaow, and a merry xmas penguin Eek likewise :D Talisman responds: Eek indeed! It's a fine thing when one comes along,--minding one's own business, I might add--and finds a couple of uppity sun-bunnies dominating all the Holiday well-wishing. Trying to show the rest of us up are you? Think you're better than the thermally challenged? Well, I won't have it! Happy Holidays to you too! So there. And to the rest of you slackers, as well. Actually, few weeks back, I was setting up activities to help a young person further appreciate the tilt of the Earth--charting the shrinking days, and that sort of thing--when I had the regrettably insular epiphany that it's really a rather steamy time down there, for our Ewe. It seems the Aussies are unwilling to comply with the upcoming Winter Solstice. Oh, no, in spite of the fact that the calendar clearly says December, they're going ahead with summer. I even hear (though I trust true geeks would resist) that it's customary to have Christmas "on the beach!" Well, I suppose Australia *proper* is closer to the Equator than Antarctica--but the same can't be said for that unruly Bendigo region, where there is good evidence of penguins among the populace. Under the circumstances, I was stunned by a vision of our flippery lad, all slathered up in sun block and topped with a sprig of holly. Then came a wave of compassion; I thought wildly about the possibility of creating "season zones," sort of like "time zones," only ...um...seasonal... To allow the poor souls in that "other" hemisphere a proper holiday. Unfortunately, I think time zones are moronic artifacts of the twentieth-century, so--in all good conscience--I had to abandon the plan. ::sigh:: Ewe, darling, if you *must* hang your stocking from a beach umbrella, I guess I can bear it, but if I hear you're smuggling warm eggnog out there in your Speedo... Merry Everything! From, Talisman, in the unseasonably warm Great Lakes Region, where it's pomegranate-champagne cocktails and a blazing fire on the evening of the 21st, whether the snow cooperates, or not. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silmariel at a_silmariel.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 17 10:33:23 2006 From: silmariel at a_silmariel.yahoo.invalid (silmariel) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:33:23 +0100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: <003801c7216d$66681ec0$482fdcd1@...> References: <003801c7216d$66681ec0$482fdcd1@...> Message-ID: <56f2b65c0612170233t75a3f287sf6d460da4a8842d@...> Then I'll join the Aussies ;) Reporting 77 from the Mar Menor microclimate, we are currently having our yearly warm december week. The rest of continental Spain is duly freezing, but I wouldn't bet on the Canary Islands, they are too cheeky to be trusted. Purrs from Yoda, Eeks a lot, and merry Solstice to all! Silmariel Indeed, Vi is the best. On 12/17/06, Kat Macfarlane wrote: > > Well, actually Gatta isn't a sun bunny. She lives in Santa Cruz, CA, where > the temperature is in the 40s, the weather is rainy, and Jane and George are > snuggling on the sofa because it's the best way to keep warm. > > Merry Solstice to you too! > > Purrs! > > --Gatta > > > --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, in response to Gatta, ewe2 > wrote: > > Hear Hear, Miaow Miaow, and a merry xmas penguin Eek likewise :D > > Talisman responds: > > Eek indeed! > > It's a fine thing when one comes along,--minding one's own business, > I might add--and finds a couple of uppity sun-bunnies dominating all > the Holiday well-wishing. > > Trying to show the rest of us up are you? Think you're better than > the thermally challenged? Well, I won't have it! > > Happy Holidays to you too! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 17 14:23:00 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:23:00 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: <56f2b65c0612170233t75a3f287sf6d460da4a8842d@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, silmariel wrote: > > Then I'll join the Aussies ;) Reporting 77 from the Mar Menor microclimate, > we are currently having our yearly warm december week. The rest of > continental Spain is duly freezing, but I wouldn't bet on the Canary > Islands, they are too cheeky to be trusted. > > Purrs from Yoda, Eeks a lot, and merry Solstice to all! > > Silmariel > Indeed, Vi is the best. > Rain, rain, and yet more rain. With the occasional gale to send pensioners bowling along the street with their umbrellas turned inside-out. Still, we need a good laugh now and then. Slight problem in that Igor reports flooding in the lower levels of Schloss Kneasy and he can't get to the wine racks in the cellar. "Simple," I said, "either hold your breath or stand on your brother's shoulders. The 1998 D'Arenburg, tonight, I think. And remember to lick the bottle clean this time." Some people just have no initiative. Even so, A Merry Christmas to one and all. Kneasy From annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 17 15:20:15 2006 From: annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid (Annemehr) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:20:15 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Barry Arrowsmith" wrote: > The 1998 D'Arenburg, tonight, I think. Why, thank you, how kind. I've been pretty blah up until now (somebody should tell all the merchants that piping carols through all the stores beginning halfway through November is Not Helping). But then, the other day at 6:00 in the morning when I went into the kitchen to start the coffee and breakfasts, I was delighted to see that Husband had set the timer so the outside lights would be on to cheer me. And now I find this party in here. :) *conjures a cauldron full of eggnog -- the good kind* Cheers! Anne From gypsycaine at deeus2002106703.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 17 15:37:45 2006 From: gypsycaine at deeus2002106703.yahoo.invalid (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:37:45 -0500 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Happy Holidays! References: Message-ID: <009c01c721f1$4cf04c40$6501a8c0@yourd0f670b45a> Happy Holidays, guys. Yes, it's Dee (GypsyCaine) >From the whole household: Dee, Jesse (fiance), Ian (son), Erik (son, 19 mos), and ratties [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeralyns at the_voicelady.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 17 18:59:12 2006 From: jeralyns at the_voicelady.yahoo.invalid (Jeralyn) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:59:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Happy Holidays! Message-ID: <20061217185912.8935.qmail@...> Happy Holidays from the Voicelady family (Jeralyn, Bart, Felix and Wookie). I really need to post more... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 17 21:20:23 2006 From: talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid (Talisman) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:20:23 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: <003801c7216d$66681ec0$482fdcd1@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Kat Macfarlane" wrote: ... Gatta isn't a sun bunny...the weather is rainy... Alright darlin, you can be a moist-kitten. Kneasy's got a damp basement, Anne's been under a wet blanket, Silmariel's showing her island cheek, and depending on his swimwear, Ewe may be, too. Sounds like the whole soggy lot of you need to be pelted with a couple of rounds of Bing Crosby. If that doesn't sort you out I'll have to unleash the new video: "Santa's Elves Gone Wild." (Hope that translates...or do I?) T Looking forward to scraping at least a small pile of frost off the ground, for her own White Christmas. I'll try to toss a pinch in all your general directions. From katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid Mon Dec 18 04:21:36 2006 From: katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid (Kat Macfarlane) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:21:36 -0800 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Happy Holidays! References: Message-ID: <004301c7225c$7985dca0$482fdcd1@...> Dear one, please don't. Bing Crosby does something unpleasant to Gatta's back fillings. And if those are house elves going wild, the prospect is too appalling to contemplate. Gatta is observing a quiet Solstice and staying reclusively at home until the Xian feeding frenzy is over. (Why on earth can't these people do their shopping in August, when it isn't raining, snowing, sleeting, etc.?) Then she has a week to go out and run errands before people again feel compelled to eat too much, drink too much, and then go out on icy roads and drive cars crazy. She can hardly wait until January 2.... Bah, humbug! Ah fooh! --Gatta, who prefers to be a wet blanket --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Kat Macfarlane" wrote: ... Gatta isn't a sun bunny...the weather is rainy... Alright darlin, you can be a moist-kitten. Kneasy's got a damp basement, Anne's been under a wet blanket, Silmariel's showing her island cheek, and depending on his swimwear, Ewe may be, too. Sounds like the whole soggy lot of you need to be pelted with a couple of rounds of Bing Crosby. If that doesn't sort you out I'll have to unleash the new video: "Santa's Elves Gone Wild." (Hope that translates...or do I?) T Looking forward to scraping at least a small pile of frost off the ground, for her own White Christmas. I'll try to toss a pinch in all your general directions. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid Mon Dec 18 05:27:40 2006 From: annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid (Annemehr) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:27:40 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: <004301c7225c$7985dca0$482fdcd1@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Kat Macfarlane" wrote: > > Bah, humbug! Ah fooh! Wha--? Well, that's a long way from, and I quote, "Happy Holidays!" > --Gatta, who prefers to be a wet blanket Ah, so that's you, is it? *nudges Gatta* *nudge, nudge* Anne off to fish the Elves out of the eggnog From spotthedungbeetle at dungrollin.yahoo.invalid Mon Dec 18 08:40:44 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at dungrollin.yahoo.invalid (dungrollin) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:40:44 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Raised voices, the chinking of glasses in an enthusiastic toast, and the distinctly mucilaginous odour of eggnog waft from the depths of the old vanishing cabinet in the spare room. She slips a note through a crack, which reads "Happy whatever, Dung," and tiptoes past, to check on how the dates on the palm by the front door are ripening up, and search for a hint of cloud in a dissapointingly blue sky. From ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid Mon Dec 18 08:40:21 2006 From: ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid (ewe2) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:40:21 +1100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Happy Holidays! In-Reply-To: References: <004301c7225c$7985dca0$482fdcd1@...> Message-ID: <91d14f320612180040u3f997802uf8e475eb26c40032@...> Talisman didst proclaim: > Ewe, darling, if you *must* hang your stocking from a beach umbrella, > I guess I can bear it, but if I hear you're smuggling warm eggnog out > there in your Speedo... o_0 *sputter* _warm_eggnog_ ?!?! Mate, a few beers in the esky more like :D A few weeks ago I came across some of my brother penguins in Melbourne Zoo and they seem to deal with the heat quite well as long as there's a pool around: http://flickr.com/photos/ewe2/304210607/ During this season of Christmas and NYE I shall be oscillating between darkest Bendigo and glitzy Sydney there to frolic in a hopefully cooler fashion than the last week or so here. We have had a major Wii infestation and I am called to share this weakness with others at this festive time, broken furniture notwithstanding (imagine Quidditch oooh). So whack a few snags on the barbie and fire up the potato salad and dont forget your suncream Santa! -- Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Tue Dec 19 04:33:08 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:33:08 -0000 Subject: FILK: Viagra Message-ID: Viagra To the tune of Maria from West Side Story by Bernstein/Sondheim Here's a You-Tube concert performance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-31K0cZI7I Dedicated to Time Magazine's Person of the Year "And as if all that wasn't enough," said Fudge, barely listening to the Prime Minister, "we've got dementors swarming all over the place, attacking people left, right, and center..." Once upon a happier time this sentence would have been unintelligible to the Prime Minister, but he was wiser now. "I thought dementors guard the prisoners in Azkaban," he said cautiously. "They did," said Fudge wearily. "But not anymore. They've deserted the prison and joined He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named . "But," said the Prime Minister, with a sense of dawning horror, "didn't you tell me they're the creatures that drain hope and happiness out of people?" "That's right. And they're breeding. That's what's causing all this mist." - HBP, Chap. 1 So why are dementors breeding now, when they presumably unable to before? It may have to do with magic or Dark Arts ? but maybe there's a more mundane explanation. Viagra was approved by the FDA in March 1998, but experimental prototypes were doubtlessly gliding around the market for a couple years prior (HBP begins in the summer of 1996 ..) A SOLO DEMENTOR: Viagra . . The most bountiful plan I ever heard.... Viagra. Viagra. Viagra. Viagra... All our celibate vows are unmade so I can get laid.... Viagra. Viagra. Viagra. Viagra... Viagra! I just took a dose of Viagra And suddenly a surge Of reproductive urge I feel. Viagra! I've just been prescribed some Viagra The Dark Lord has decreed Dementors now shall breed With zeal! Viagra! Let us now do that take-cloak-off-thing And in due time we'll have us some offspring Viagra! I'll never stop taking Viagra! (The DEMENTOR dances around the room in ethereal ecstasy) Viagra! Viagra! Viagra! Viagra!, etc. It may be some will call us putrid So though I love my wife but oh you kid Viagra! I'll never stop taking Viagra! The most bountiful plan I ever heard..... - CMC HARRY POTTER FILKS http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm Alternate Couplet for Gilbert and Sullivan Fans: SOLO DEMENTOR: Mi amour, I'll no more reject her As Sir Gilbert said, "Be firm, my pecker." Exegesis here: http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/trial/discussion/tr4-3.html#firm From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 20 21:46:43 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:46:43 +0000 Subject: Well worth a read Message-ID: <0C058796-431B-435A-A9C0-E7D5956540A0@...> Never found most of the books about the Harry Potter books particularly enthralling. Possibly because too many read as if they were penned by teachers who work in remedial schools. However, there's a new one out that fell through my letterbox a couple of days back - The End of Harry Potter by David Langford. Well organised, easy-going style, some nice tongue-in-cheek humour, a keen eye for detail and doesn't take himself too seriously. And it appears to be slanted towards the adult reader, which is a relief. Of course, most of the contents (and speculations) have been subjects heavily - even endlessly - discussed on the boards. Even so, there were potential internal links and possible plot developments suggested that I can't remember having come across before. If Jo hadn't been so relentless in knocking most of the more fanciful (or as some might have it, interesting) theories on the head, I'd be sorely tempted to fire up my enthusiasm and give the old keyboard a good workout dissecting or adding to some of the ideas mentioned. Don't agree with some of the ideas, but there again I wouldn't be a true Potterhead if I did, would I? For those unfamiliar with him, he's responsible for the two Disk- World quiz books, a couple of encyclopaedias - SF and Fantasy (as a co-editor), and a number of collections of his short stories, reviews, critiques and essays on SF, fantasy and classic detective writers/stories, plus other less easily classifiable stuff - most of which already sits, well thumbed, on my bookshelves. As the jacket quote from Pratchett puts it: "David Langford. Wit, slightly deaf person, raconteur and finest swordsman in all of Christendom." Quite. But the book is worth dipping into IMO. Cheap, too. The hardback edition (from Amazon) cost ?5.99. Kneasy From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 18:18:47 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:18:47 -0000 Subject: 7th book Message-ID: BBC reporting that Jo has announced title on her site, though I'm buggered if I can see it: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Um. Two people will die. Is that all? Hardly worth getting out of bed for. Oh, and the 'Do not Disturb' sign has gone. Kneasy From talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 18:50:32 2006 From: talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid (Talisman) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:50:32 -0000 Subject: Like Getting a Box of Socks Message-ID: Well, DD may have wished for socks, but most of us find them a bit boring as gifts go. Ditto the Christmas present bestowed upon us by our delightful Author/ Dominatrix. I'm sure we all knew the revelations of GH would be important. ::sigh:: Talisman PS To Ewe2: I'm sure you'll have the Wii sitch well in hand.:P Here abouts we were able to save the Twilight Princess's realm without injury or damage to household goods. From susiequsie23 at cubfanbudwoman.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 19:02:08 2006 From: susiequsie23 at cubfanbudwoman.yahoo.invalid (susiequsie23) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:02:08 -0500 Subject: [the_old_crowd] 7th book References: Message-ID: <025c01c72532$83693090$e21a024b@albrechtuj0zx7> Kneasy: > BBC reporting that Jo has announced title on > her site, though I'm buggered if I can see it: > > Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. > > Um. > Two people will die. > Is that all? Hardly worth getting out of bed for. > > Oh, and the 'Do not Disturb' sign has gone. SSSusan: This has, unsurprisingly, generated quite a bit of speculation over at Main, begun by Elfundeb. Possibilities so far, based in particular upon attempts to find "noun" defnitions for "Hallows," has generated: 1) a person, place or thing which is likely holy or sacred, or where only the pure of heart can enter/return; 2) Godric's Hollow as such a "deathly" sacred place & a play on "Hallow;" 3) the possibility of a connection with the Locked Room in the Dept. of Mysteries; 4) the possibility that it refers to All Hallow's Eve and even that it might refer to two Halloweens -- the occasion of Harry's first encounter with Voldy and this next Halloween; 5) that "deathly hallows," with "hallows" refering to a holy or powerful object associated with death, might simply be another way of saying "Harry Potter and the Horcruxes" 'Tis as far as I've gotten, since holiday baking, cards & gift-wrapping await me. Siriusly Snapey Susan From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 19:18:00 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:18:00 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: <025c01c72532$83693090$e21a024b@albrechtuj0zx7> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "susiequsie23" wrote: > > > SSSusan: > This has, unsurprisingly, generated quite a bit of speculation over at Main, > begun by Elfundeb. > > Possibilities so far, based in particular upon attempts to find "noun" > defnitions for "Hallows," has generated: > 1) a person, place or thing which is likely holy or sacred, or where only > the pure of heart can enter/return; > 2) Godric's Hollow as such a "deathly" sacred place & a play on "Hallow;" > 3) the possibility of a connection with the Locked Room in the Dept. of > Mysteries; > 4) the possibility that it refers to All Hallow's Eve and even that it might > refer to two Halloweens -- the occasion of Harry's first encounter with > Voldy and this next Halloween; > 5) that "deathly hallows," with "hallows" refering to a holy or powerful > object associated with death, might simply be another way of saying "Harry > Potter and the Horcruxes" > > 'Tis as far as I've gotten, since holiday baking, cards & gift-wrapping > await me. > > Siriusly Snapey Susan Bet it's got more to do with that damn veil than anything else. Hallows when referring to a place generally means the environs of a sanctified place - and the only spot (that we've seen so far) that meets that criterion is the Death Chamber. And since either HP or Voldy is going through there -metaphorically if not literally (or maybe both) seems like a good place for the showdown. Kneasy From annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 19:29:07 2006 From: annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid (Annemehr) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:29:07 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: <025c01c72532$83693090$e21a024b@albrechtuj0zx7> Message-ID: > SSSusan: > Possibilities so far, based in particular upon attempts to find "noun" > defnitions for "Hallows," has generated: > 1) a person, place or thing which is likely holy or sacred, or where only > the pure of heart can enter/return; First impression I had, was that "Hallows" was a place. Graveyards are often consecrated places, aren't they (not too sure about very many traditions)? "Deathly Hallows" would be an apt, if unusual, epithet for a graveyard. But, sure, it certainly does seem that it could refer to Godric's Hollow, where the deathly and hallowed deed took place. And, yes, hallows = saints as in All Hallows Eve. So, these would be "good" people, then, if indeed that's what the word in the title means. Then, I get the feeling Deathly Hallows could be sort of anti- Death Eaters. I like this title. It's nice and *dark.* I wonder when Jo will tell us what the other possibilities were? Anne who doesn't want much... From annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 19:38:19 2006 From: annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid (Annemehr) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:38:19 -0000 Subject: 7th book -- Oh, hey now! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gleaned from The Leaky Cauldron comments: Alyce: "She told us in OotP when the title would be released, didn't she? Hall of Prophecy - broken glass spheres - 'at the Solstice will come a new' -.... 'and none will come after.' Got us again, JKR!" O_o A. From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 19:42:16 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:42:16 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Bet it's got more to do with that damn veil than anything else. > Hallows when referring to a place generally means the environs of > a sanctified place - and the only spot (that we've seen so far) that > meets that criterion is the Death Chamber. > > And since either HP or Voldy is going through there -metaphorically > if not literally (or maybe both) seems like a good place for the showdown. > > Kneasy > addendum. The Langford book I posted about yesterday... he mentions the possibility that young Potter will communicate with the dead, perhaps even with his parents. He'll repair the mirror Sirius gave him, and surprise! surprise! Sirius did have his with him after all, he was just a bit busy getting used to being dead the last time Harry tried. Is that why DD is shown as sleeping in his brand new portrait?). S-o-o-o-o. How does that fit with the title? Could be. Might. Maybe. Perhaps. But there again..... Kneasy From talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 20:23:12 2006 From: talisman22457 at talisman22457.yahoo.invalid (Talisman) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:23:12 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Annemehr" wrote: > And, yes, hallows = saints as in All Hallows Eve. So, these would > be "good" people, then, if indeed that's what the word in the title > means. Then, I get the feeling Deathly Hallows could be sort of anti-> Death Eaters. > Talisman: Well, Anne, we must be on the same wavelength. Must be all that IMing. :) As you were expanding over here I've allowed my naturally deviant mind to make the most of things on TOL. To wit, a number of posts I've just flung up at Main: ********************* Deadly Saints Message #163032 My first impression upon reading the new title this afternoon, was of Lupin's statement in the kitchen at 12GP, back in OoP. Then, I decided that the Hallows was just a reference to that notorious Halloween we've all been expecting to revisit in Book 7, at GH. Well, no doubt that *is* on tap. But, on further consideration, maybe the title does multiple duty. Deathly certainly does include the meanings: causing death, fatal, etc. Check the dictionary closest to you. Hallows also means Saints. As in *All Hallows* = *All Saints.* We've seen a few saints invoked in canon and Potter apocrypha (Hedwig, Walpurgis, etc.), sufficient to indicate Rowling's interest in this area. Interestingly enough, my ancient Roget's links *saint* to *phoenix* (Saint: good person 985: 5. ...phoenix). How's that for a noun. So, Deathly Hallows can be both a certain fatal holiday or some Deadly Saints. So back to that little quip of Lupin's. A little something that needs clarification in Book 7. You recall, the one were he tells Harry (Mr. Face-death-and-Voldemort- at-every-turn) that Harry is too young to join the Order of the Phoenix because : "There are dangers involved of which you can have no idea, any of you " (US 97). Well, I say there have been a number of significant Order on Order killings so far. Sirius and DD, to name a few. Deadly Saints, indeed. Guilty!DD rides again! Looking forward to it. Talisman *********************************************************************** And then: Message #163036 Re: Title of Book 7 (Spolier... CAREFUL, NOW!) --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "wynnleaf" wrote: > Here is a link that's floating around on the Lexicon Forum and might be of interest in reading about "hallows" as sacred objects. > > http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/arthuriana2z/h.htm > [Talisman:] Great link wynnleaf! I especially like the connection to Lugh. Brings to mind my old post from Aug. 18, 2002, HPfGU #42864, which includes, in pertinent part: ********************* Holly is also associated with the Celtic sun-god Lugh, the patron of sorcery no less. (I noted before posting that the Lugh connection has been suggested by Ronale7; see earlier discussions of this myth in various threads by searching for "Lugh"). A reading of the myth of Lugh provides many fertile comparisons between the Celtic hero and Harry: Oidche Lugnasa (Lugh's feast day) is HP's Birthday, July 31; Prophesy that evil king Balor (Lugh's grandpa) would be killed by grandson leads to Balor's failed attempt to kill Lugh; Lugh was brought up in the care of a master magician, to keep him safe; when Balor (a Fromorian) tries to take over the Tuatha de Danann, and has killed the Tautha king, Lugh emerges as the hero of the battle and the new king of his people. hmmmm. ********************** And from my #42894, of the same date: *************** In consideration of the interest in Stoned!Harry, here's a little something for you, Eloise. Lugh killed his evil grandfather with a *stone.* ********************* Lots of fertile ground with the Guardians of the Hallows, as well. Talisman, who did say the title does "multiple" duty. [end post] PS Did I mention that the story of Lugh involves a guy with a silver hand, as well? Apprediation for Rowling's "gift" is growing on me. Cheers, T From entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 23:54:47 2006 From: entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid (entropymail) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:54:47 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Barry Arrowsmith" wrote: > > BBC reporting that Jo has announced title on > her site, though I'm buggered if I can see it: > > Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. > > Um. > Two people will die. > Is that all? Hardly worth getting out of bed for. > > Oh, and the 'Do not Disturb' sign has gone. > > Kneasy Hate to be all grinchy, but I sure do hope all the speculation which is sure to follow isn't for naught. I'd hate the meaning of "Deathly Hallows" to turn out to be something no one could have ever imagined or divined simply from reading the previous six books. Dare I say it? Not another "Horcrux" episode. :: Entropy :: visit my Etsy Shop at www.SugarCubeDesign.etsy.com From entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 21 23:59:41 2006 From: entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid (entropymail) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:59:41 -0000 Subject: Like Getting a Box of Socks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" wrote: > > Well, DD may have wished for socks, but most of us find them a bit > boring as gifts go. > > Ditto the Christmas present bestowed upon us by our delightful Author/ > Dominatrix. > > > I'm sure we all knew the revelations of GH would be important. > > ::sigh:: > > Talisman Hee hee! We're all awful. Our name should be changed to The Old Jaded Crowd or The Old Persnickety Crowd or, perhaps, The Old "Just Try To Impress Me, I Dare You" Crowd. I agree wholeheartedly, Talisman! :P :: Entropy :: Visit my Etsy Shop at www.SugarCubeDesign.etsy.com From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 22 23:33:47 2006 From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:33:47 -0000 Subject: Season's Greetings and book 7 Message-ID: Merry Chritmas and Happy Holidays to all! To everyone complaining about wet weather, please cast a spell and send it to Florida. We are in desperate need of the wet stuff. While you are at it, send a bit of chill this way as well. We are having unseasonably warm weather here in North Florida and suspect it is giving folks the blahs. I had a Christmas spirit till this afternoon. My young dog had to have hip surgery, and the vet found during the surgery that he has some sort of genetic bone disease, so the procedure was a bit tricky. The poor little guy has had a tough life. I adopted him from our local Animal Control, and we have fought a parvo-like virus, upper respiratory infection and mange. But we got through all this, and he had been doing quite well till recently. If anyone reads my meager post, I do hope you will say a prayer for him. This is the season of perpetual hope, right? Book 7 title.....isn't this a repeat of Christmas 2004. JKR released the book title for book 6 or was it that it would be released the following year. First thing I did when I heard the news was to check the boards here and tol as I knew there would be many theories running amouk. I was not disappointed! I like the ideas that the title could be a reference to the veil or Halloween in Godric's Hollow. Then again these theories are too easy. I never had a clue that Snape would be the HBP. I expect all you out there with your wonderful literary minds, to come up with some good stuff. Although I rarely post, I do keep up with most of what has been posted. I raise my eggnog (homemade with bandy and bourbon, and toast you all!! Cheers, Fran From quigonginger at quigonginger.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 23 05:10:58 2006 From: quigonginger at quigonginger.yahoo.invalid (quigonginger) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:10:58 -0000 Subject: Holiday Greetings Message-ID: Adding in a weather report- South Dakota is rainy. North Dakota (from whence I came this morning) is dry and barely cold. There aren't many advantages to living in the Dakotas, but we who live here feel that our reward for putting up with the weather is that we have a right to complain about it. So.. There's no snow! No blizzards! No 40 below 0 temps! No wind chill factor! What sort of a Christmas is this? It's........nice. Eurgh! We might as well move to Nebraska. Sigh. Oh, well, finals are done, and I can back to the Potterverse. My sister, who hasn't even read books 5 and 6 was the one who told me that the title for 7 had been released. Geesh. Talk about being out of the loop. Happy Christmas. May all your wishes for the New Year come true. Ginger From catlady at catlady_de_los_angeles.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 23 23:00:53 2006 From: catlady at catlady_de_los_angeles.yahoo.invalid (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:00:53 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" wrote: > > Hate to be all grinchy, but I sure do hope all the speculation which > is sure to follow isn't for naught. I'd hate the meaning of "Deathly > Hallows" to turn out to be something no one could have ever imagined > or divined simply from reading the previous six books. Dare I say it? > Not another "Horcrux" episode. "Deathly Hallows" sounds like a suburban real estate development for ghosts. From mgrantwich at mgrantwich.yahoo.invalid Mon Dec 25 16:20:45 2006 From: mgrantwich at mgrantwich.yahoo.invalid (Magda Grantwich) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 08:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: HPDH - Predictions and Lucky Guesses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <685822.54021.qm@...> Happy Holidays, all. Not being much concerned with the meaning of the title (which will proably have to wait until we read the book), I want to jump to the important stuff. What's going to happen? Any predictions? Here are a few of mine: 1. Harry will go back to Hogwarts not because he particularly wants to but because with Dumbledore dead (yes, he is; get over it) Voldemort wants to make it his HQ. It's large and protected by strong spells, for a collector of trophies it's the ultimate stocking stuffer, and Dumbledore's not cluttering up the best office anymore. 2. There will be a traitor in the Order, someone who goes over to the Dark Side not because they're uber-evil but because they're weak-minded and gullible like Quirrell. It won't be who everyone thinks it is. 3. Pettigrew will die after doing something to save Harry's life because he will have decided to throw in his lot with the stronger wizard (ie, Harry) but won't be fast enough to save himself. Pettigrew: consistent to the end but with aging reflexes. 4. Snape will die at the climax of the book, after spending a lot of the book off-screen sending Harry clues through a patronus that no one recognizes. (Sub-prediction: we'll finally find out how patroni communicate to people.) After he's dead Harry will See It All Clearly and will no longer hate Snape. 5. Snape will be buried at Hogwarts beside Dumbledore. 6. Percy will be reconciled with his family, after he does something Percy-ishly heroic, like shred a file or refuse a direct order from Scrimgeour. 7. Arthur will die. (Darn!) Molly will live. (Double Darn!!) 8. Lupin will not be ESE and one of the great opportunities of the entire series will not be realized. Pippin will retain her stature as a goddess of plotting and will sign autographs for years. 9. Regulus is RAB. Maybe not controversial enough but there's still doubt in some quarters. Now, what's NOT going to happen? What little story threads are going to prove to be not nearly as relevant as we've assumed for so long? 1. The Missing 24 Hours - in between the Halloween night at Godric's Hollow and Harry's being left at the Dursleys the next night. It won't be mentioned. 2. Dumbledore's death - Snape killed him. QED. No he-was-alive-going-off-the-tower-but-died-on-the-way-down wiggle room. 3. Sirius will remain dead - no communications from the Beyond. 4. Regulus's backstory will not be addressed. It doesn't matter why he turned against Voldemort; all that matters is he did and that he managed to hide a horcrux before he checked out. Might come up with a few more later on. Any takers? Magda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mgrantwich at mgrantwich.yahoo.invalid Mon Dec 25 16:20:36 2006 From: mgrantwich at mgrantwich.yahoo.invalid (Magda Grantwich) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: HPDH - Predictions and Lucky Guesses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <55438.55798.qm@...> Happy Holidays, all. Not being much concerned with the meaning of the title (which will proably have to wait until we read the book), I want to jump to the important stuff. What's going to happen? Any predictions? Here are a few of mine: 1. Harry will go back to Hogwarts not because he particularly wants to but because with Dumbledore dead (yes, he is; get over it) Voldemort wants to make it his HQ. It's large and protected by strong spells, for a collector of trophies it's the ultimate stocking stuffer, and Dumbledore's not cluttering up the best office anymore. 2. There will be a traitor in the Order, someone who goes over to the Dark Side not because they're uber-evil but because they're weak-minded and gullible like Quirrell. It won't be who everyone thinks it is. 3. Pettigrew will die after doing something to save Harry's life because he will have decided to throw in his lot with the stronger wizard (ie, Harry) but won't be fast enough to save himself. Pettigrew: consistent to the end but with aging reflexes. 4. Snape will die at the climax of the book, after spending a lot of the book off-screen sending Harry clues through a patronus that no one recognizes. (Sub-prediction: we'll finally find out how patroni communicate to people.) After he's dead Harry will See It All Clearly and will no longer hate Snape. 5. Snape will be buried at Hogwarts beside Dumbledore. 6. Percy will be reconciled with his family, after he does something Percy-ishly heroic, like shred a file or refuse a direct order from Scrimgeour. 7. Arthur will die. (Darn!) Molly will live. (Double Darn!!) 8. Lupin will not be ESE and one of the great opportunities of the entire series will not be realized. Pippin will retain her stature as a goddess of plotting and will sign autographs for years. 9. Regulus is RAB. Maybe not controversial enough but there's still doubt in some quarters. Now, what's NOT going to happen? What little story threads are going to prove to be not nearly as relevant as we've assumed for so long? 1. The Missing 24 Hours - in between the Halloween night at Godric's Hollow and Harry's being left at the Dursleys the next night. It won't be mentioned. 2. Dumbledore's death - Snape killed him. QED. No he-was-alive-going-off-the-tower-but-died-on-the-way-down wiggle room. 3. Sirius will remain dead - no communications from the Beyond. 4. Regulus's backstory will not be addressed. It doesn't matter why he turned against Voldemort; all that matters is he did and that he managed to hide a horcrux before he checked out. Might come up with a few more later on. Any takers? Magda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid Tue Dec 26 21:23:10 2006 From: entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid (entropymail) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:23:10 -0000 Subject: 7th book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > "Deathly Hallows" sounds like a suburban real estate development for > ghosts. > Or maybe the sequel to the creepy sixties soap opera "Dark Shadows". :: Entropy :: visit my Etsy Shop at www.SugarcubeDesign.etsy.com From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 27 11:00:49 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:00:49 -0000 Subject: Fancy a flutter? Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/uk/6210437.stm .... though my advice would be to let the betting settle down a bit. When Harry, Draco, Ron *and* Hermy are all offered at 6:1 to kill young Potter, then it could fairly be described as an uncertain market. Kneasy From ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 27 12:26:41 2006 From: ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid (ewe2) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:26:41 +1100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Fancy a flutter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91d14f320612270426y4e02efcr837921dabfe8b337@...> On 12/27/06, Barry Arrowsmith wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/uk/6210437.stm > > .... though my advice would be to let the betting settle down > a bit. > > When Harry, Draco, Ron *and* Hermy are all offered at 6:1 to > kill young Potter, then it could fairly be described as an > uncertain market. > > Kneasy > ewe2 drops all pretence of breeding with an open-mouthed WTF?!? Not our Ronnikins and Hermies?! *** Harry lay panting and bloodied on the floor. Ron and Hermione kept their wands and watchful eyes upon him. "You must understand, Harry," said Hermione firmly. "It's up to Ron and I to see you don't get away from us, isn't that so Ron?...RONNIE?!" "Y-yes dear," mumbled Ron, and he involuntarily looked down, away from Harry's furious and aghast face. Ron would be no help Harry realized, his will was no longer his own. Probably one of Hermionies wretched love potions. Damn, that witch was good. "Well? Get on with it then!" Harry challenged. "What are you waiting for, A GOLD STAR PERHAPS?!" he yelled suddenly. Hermionie screamed a word and a flash of light from her wand cracked the air on its way into Harry's chest. Gathering control of herself, she pushed past a horriified Ron and bent down. "Here you are dearest," she cooed silkily and into Ron's shaking hands she put an indignant Harry the hamster. "Try not to lose this pet won't you," she added over her shoulder as she left the room. Ron looked tearfully down at Harry. "You know what she's like, mate" he stammered in shamed embarrassment. "At least someone else gets called a yummy little furryikins for a change," he added as he shoved a furiously squeaking Harry into his rucksack and strode out to join Hermione. *** THAT, my friends, is the TRUE DOOM OF POTTER mwahahaha. ewe2, who probably should lay off the christmas cheer now... -- Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 27 13:47:14 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:47:14 -0000 Subject: Fancy a flutter? In-Reply-To: <91d14f320612270426y4e02efcr837921dabfe8b337@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > > > > When Harry, Draco, Ron *and* Hermy are all offered at 6:1 to > > kill young Potter, then it could fairly be described as an > > uncertain market. > > > > ewe2 drops all pretence of breeding with an open-mouthed WTF?!? Not > our Ronnikins and Hermies?! > > *** Why not? Using slightly twisted logic - since Hermy is reckoned to be Jo's alter ego, then if Jo intends to knock him off, why not have her other persona do it? All neat and tiddly. Been trying to find the odds for Ginny doing the dastardly deed... Trojan horse sort of stuff... Tom still lurking between her ears ever since CoS... And if she waited until the wedding night... dim lights... soft music... cold champagne... a stiffening corpse... Kneasy From ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 27 14:42:55 2006 From: ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid (ewe2) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:42:55 +1100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Fancy a flutter? In-Reply-To: References: <91d14f320612270426y4e02efcr837921dabfe8b337@...> Message-ID: <91d14f320612270642i555b8f2bm5119cc577119813d@...> On 12/28/06, Barry Arrowsmith wrote: > --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: \> Why not? > Using slightly twisted logic - since Hermy is reckoned to be Jo's > alter ego, then if Jo intends to knock him off, why not have her > other persona do it? All neat and tiddly. But Jo's attitude to Hermione is broadly sympathetic, her major character flaw being insecurity for which she overcompensates. Funny reward to kill Harry I would think. At least Ron has envy for a motive... > Been trying to find the odds for Ginny doing the dastardly deed... > Trojan horse sort of stuff... Tom still lurking between her ears ever > since CoS... And if she waited until the wedding night... dim lights... > soft music... cold champagne... a stiffening corpse... I like the idea of a Ginny relapse, there's symmetry in it. I fear that Jo will simply invent someone else to do away with Harry however, it's What Agatha Would Do. ewe2, enduring another sleepless night accompanied by bizarre eskimo movies on tv, such is the holiday season. -- Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best From silmariel at a_silmariel.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 27 16:00:55 2006 From: silmariel at a_silmariel.yahoo.invalid (silmariel) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:00:55 +0100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] Re: Fancy a flutter? In-Reply-To: <91d14f320612270642i555b8f2bm5119cc577119813d@...> References: <91d14f320612270426y4e02efcr837921dabfe8b337@...> <91d14f320612270642i555b8f2bm5119cc577119813d@...> Message-ID: <56f2b65c0612270800y72d7039ftc00586ceee717450@...> On 12/27/06, ewe2 wrote: > > On 12/28/06, Barry Arrowsmith wrote: > > --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > \> Why not? > > Using slightly twisted logic - since Hermy is reckoned to be Jo's > > alter ego, then if Jo intends to knock him off, why not have her > > other persona do it? All neat and tiddly. > > But Jo's attitude to Hermione is broadly sympathetic, her major > character flaw being insecurity for which she overcompensates. Funny > reward to kill Harry I would think. At least Ron has envy for a > motive... But she is ruthless in her overcompensation. Somehow, I have a hard time picturing Ron killing Harry, but Hermi is as cold blooded as a villain when she has decided what she must do. Having R/H kill him, would be like a second tower scene. Kneasy: > > Been trying to find the odds for Ginny doing the dastardly deed... > > Trojan horse sort of stuff... Tom still lurking between her ears ever > > since CoS... And if she waited until the wedding night... dim lights... > > soft music... cold champagne... a stiffening corpse... > Ewe2: > I like the idea of a Ginny relapse, there's symmetry in it. I fear > that Jo will simply invent someone else to do away with Harry however, > it's What Agatha Would Do. *Icks* As much as I like the idea, I think Ginny will fall early on the seven book. I already count her on the death, maybe because it's traditional to kill the MS beloved? She's too a Cedric. ewe2, enduring another sleepless night accompanied by bizarre eskimo > movies on tv, such is the holiday season. > Silmariel lost in her new lego star wars, finds Deathly Hallows interesting as a tittle... but isn't going to spend a couple of hours writing on it right now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid Wed Dec 27 16:40:53 2006 From: annemehr at annemehr.yahoo.invalid (Annemehr) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:40:53 -0000 Subject: Fancy a flutter? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > > On 12/28/06, Barry Arrowsmith wrote: > > --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > > Why not? > Using slightly twisted logic - since Hermy is reckoned to be Jo's > > alter ego, then if Jo intends to knock him off, why not have her > > other persona do it? All neat and tiddly. > > But Jo's attitude to Hermione is broadly sympathetic, her major > character flaw being insecurity for which she overcompensates. Funny > reward to kill Harry I would think. At least Ron has envy for a > motive... Ah, but if the motive is to eliminate Hx!Harry... I can see it all now. Dumbledore has punted ("punted" as in the American football "giving up" sense, not the British betting sense). Caring for Harry too much, he was overheard to say "I'd give my right arm, nay, my very life, not to have to do the deed" and Snape, scowling in disgust, obliged him in both ways. But then, Snape himself can do no more, because it says right there in his job description, right under "Glide through the halls like an oversize bat": "Save Harry Potter's miserable life at every opportunity." Or so Talisman, who actually reads fine print, tells me. Really, it's practical-minded Hermione who might well have the cojones for the job. Either her, or Neville "brave enough to stand up to his friends" Longbottom. Yeah, that's it. My money's on him. Anne From foxmoth at pippin_999.yahoo.invalid Thu Dec 28 00:54:53 2006 From: foxmoth at pippin_999.yahoo.invalid (pippin_999) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:54:53 -0000 Subject: HPDH - Predictions and Lucky Guesses In-Reply-To: <55438.55798.qm@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, Magda Grantwich wrote: > > Happy Holidays, all. > > Not being much concerned with the meaning of the title (which will > proably have to wait until we read the book), I want to jump to the > important stuff. > > What's going to happen? Any predictions? Pippin: Okay, I'll bite. 1. All the action in HPHD (sounds like a video format) will take place over the summer and fall. The acton will close with a slightly delayed Hogwarts opening feast on October 31, 1997. 2. There is a traitor in the Order. It's Lupin. Get over it. :) Pippin's inbox will crash with congratulatory messages. However, one week later everybody will be saying they knew it all along. 3. Pettigrew will die after saving Harry's life 4. Snape will live, because he represents the eternal bastard in all of us. 5. Harry will miscalculate the number of horcruxes, returning Voldemort to vapor form instead of killing him. Harry will then be ambushed by the traitor (see above) as he attempts to destroy the one remaining hx. Harry will vanquish the traitor after giving him one final chance to return to the good side. Voldemort's vapor form will be trapped for good with the help of someone Harry doesn't expect. 6. Percy will be revealed as Dumbledore's spy in the ministry. He'll still be a pompous oaf, however. 7. All Weasley brothers except Ron will die, fulfilling the vision in the Mirror of Erised. (Darn, darn, darn, darn and darn) 8. Regulus is RAB. 9. Snape did *not* kill Dumbledore. If the blood did spit, you must acquit (no apologies to anyone now occupying the Hell for evil counselors.) 10. Harry will fulfill his promise to visit with Grawp if anything happens to Hagrid. 11. Harry will come *out* of the locked door at the ministry. Here's what's not going to happen. Sirius is not going to come back from the dead. Dumbledore, ditto. Harry will not meet with his parents beyond the Veil Pippin From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 29 13:31:44 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:31:44 +0000 Subject: "Oh, bad luck, Harry." Message-ID: <2D3CDC3B-1109-4B56-9BDD-20D9B348EE49@...> Throughout the series Harry has on occasion been more than a little fortunate, and with only one book to go, it really wouldn't do for him to have to rely on luck again, don't you think? We want to see a good clean fight, may the best wizard win, and all that sportsman- like stuff. But since Voldy has proved to be so inept and his hench- wizards even more so, it'd make the last book so much more exciting if the odds were evened up a bit. After all, what does Voldy have going for him? Merely the reputation as the ex-number 2 wizard (now presumably number 1), his long-laid plans and schemes, a 'Get out of Veil free' ploy thanks to his Horcrux dodge, an unknown number of carefully laid lethal traps, an insiders knowledge of Harry's head, plus the Malfoys, Bella, other assorted sadistic and murderous DEs, the Dementors, the Inferi, werewolves, Giants and so on. Facing him is young Potter with an idiot Weasley or three, an accident-prone Neville, the Herminator and a New-Age loon. That's odds of about 1,000,000 : 1 on Voldy - but as the sainted Pratchett points out, in Fantasy, one chance in a million wins 9 times out of 10. Easy-peasy. Harry wins in a stroll. So I'm of the opinion that an extra handicap or two wouldn't go amiss. See, I got to thinking. If there's the Felix Felicis Potion, why not the exact opposite, an Infaustus Infusion. Have a slurp of that and ... oh dear. Everyone knows about the universal applicability of Murphy's Law, not so many are familiar with Sod's Law and its corollaries. Pity. They're more comprehensive [*] and with the gremlins generated by these basic truths Harry could have a very bad hair-day indeed, but on the other hand he'll have a sterling opportunity to prove himself as a pukka whizzo wizard. So let's imagine that it's Harry's birthday and an unknown but malign hand slips a hefty glug of Infaustus Infusion into his breakfast porridge. How might the day go then? Having heard that DD has finally popped his clogs, the Dursleys conclude that any previous agreement/threat is now null and void and promptly sling Harry out on his ear. Oops! No more protection. Donning his invisibility cloak he mounts his broom and accompanied by Hedwig flits off to the Burrow. Right across the Heathrow flight path. That evening BBC News reports the unusual phenomenon of minced owl falling over parts of Surrey. Arrives at the Burrow. Only Ginny, the light of his life, is at home. He co-opts her to help him move the rest of his stuff out of Privet Drive. Where she immediately falls head over heels in lust for the rippling muscles of Dudders. Encumbered by magical impedimenta and a girl-friend (soon to earn the prefix ex- if she doesn't shut up) who keeps poking his biceps and muttering "I've seen more meat on a butcher's pencil," our hero reaches the sanctuary of Grimmauld Place only to find a writ for damages nailed to the door. (207 Prophecy Globes, some antique with significant sentimental value, and 53 Timeturners add up to galleons by the barrow-load.) Ginny finally shuts up. Not so the portrait of Ma Black. Curses, imprecations and manic shrieks reverberate through the house as Harry shovels his stuff through the door and then descends to the kitchen, slumps into a chair and sinks his head into his hands and gazes unseeingly at a pile of owl-mail on the kitchen table. "So, if it isn't young Potter, come to take what's mine. We'll see about that!" Bella! Leaping to his feet and grabbing for his wand Harry fails to notice that Kreacher has snuck in and magically tied his shoe-laces together. Face-down in Gnome droppings and with his head protruding through the kitchen-door cat-flap, a stunned Harry realises the voice came from a Howler he'd disturbed on the table. "Phew," he thought, "that's lucky." Little does he know..... to be continued. Kneasy [*] Where the great Murphy predicted that "If something can go wrong, it will" - which is bad enough, Sod's observations raise the stakes somewhat: 1. The degree of failure is in direct proportion to the effort expended and the need for success. 2. Sooner or later the worst set of circumstances is bound to occur. 3. Anything that is to go wrong will do so at the worst possible moment. From carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid Fri Dec 29 21:29:57 2006 From: carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:29:57 -0000 Subject: Well worth a read In-Reply-To: <0C058796-431B-435A-A9C0-E7D5956540A0@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith wrote: > > Never found most of the books about the Harry Potter books > particularly enthralling. Possibly because too many read as if they were penned by teachers who work in remedial schools. However, > there's a new one out that fell through my letterbox a couple of days back - The End of Harry Potter by David Langford. > > Well organised, easy-going style, some nice tongue-in-cheek humour, a keen eye for detail and doesn't take himself too seriously. And it appears to be slanted towards the adult reader, which is a relief. > > Of course, most of the contents (and speculations) have been > subjects heavily - even endlessly - discussed on the boards. Even so, there were potential internal links and possible plot developments suggested that I can't remember having come across before. If Jo hadn't been so relentless in knocking most of the more fanciful (or as some might have it, interesting) theories on the head, I'd be sorely tempted to fire up my enthusiasm and give the old keyboard a good workout dissecting or adding to some of the ideas mentioned. > > Don't agree with some of the ideas, but there again I wouldn't be a true Potterhead if I did, would I? > > But the book is worth dipping into IMO. > Cheap, too. The hardback edition (from Amazon) cost ?5.99. > > Kneasy > Well sir, have spent one of my last afternoons of freedom before New Year lying on the sofa reading this.. it's an edited, reasonable summary of the key ideas, I agree. But as a sign of my continuing addiction, I spent some time feeling puzzled that he missed out on such classic theories such as LOLLIPOPS, MAGIC DISHWASHER and Toadkeeper II, not to mention essential locations such as The George or even the Catalogue Office. Then I realised I was getting reality severely confused with the WW (or something..). Anyhow, the most useful snippets/reminders I took from it were (in no particular order): 1) Chocolate Frog Cards as DD's means of communication with the troops in the last book. Langford didn't mention it, but at some point in OOP (?) DD even confirmed it - something along the lines of not caring what titles they took away from him 'as long as they don't take me off the Chocolate Frog cards'. 2) Apropos of nothing - Filibuster Fireworks - as in 'time-wasting' fireworks. Had missed this nuance in the name! V. appropriate to Gred and Forge's use of them in OOP. 3) Prof Sinistra - origin of name is a star in the Ophiuchus constellation, 'associated with depravity' and also known as 'The Serpent Handler'. The lady has only been seen doing an ungainly two- step with Mad-Eye so far, I think, oh, and supervising an exam on top of the astronomy tower (?). Is it just an idle swipe at the possibly evil intentions of all left-handed folk or is she another Voldie spy? 4) Tarot - that the four suites of 14 cards are respectively Swords, Cups, Pentacles and Wands. Not having your deep experience in reading fortunes (...!), was just struck by the potential link with Gryffindor's sword, Hufflepuff's cup, and ok.. breaks down after that except that it's been speculated that it's Ravenclaw's wand that Harry might need to find for one of his hickleboxes. 5) And just going back to the wretched hoxpotches, renewed irritation that the suggested combination still includes TWO items of Slytherin's a) diary b) Salazar's ring c) Helga's cup d) Slytherin's locket e) Ravenclaw's WHAT? f) Nagini, Harry or take your pick.. My current view is that symmetry absolutely demands a Gryffindor item, and that would have been most prized by Voldie. The sword would have been his first target, second possibly the Sorting hat, but so far he does not appear to have got either of those - so what else would he have targeted? On timing, assuming he had intended Harry's death at GH as a necessary step in creating this very special hoglump, what would he have intended to put the soul-fragment into if he had succeeded? Still leaves two Slytherin items, created before GH.. annoying... 6) Prediction that the action climax in the 7th book would be dark and underground, based on key action scenes in previous books: PS/SS - Chamber under Hogwarts CoS - basilisk chamber POA - secret passage underground to Shrieking Shack & enclosed room GoF - ok, not underground, but a nasty graveyard OOP - battle in the depths of the MoM HBP - inferi cave (debatable whether that was climax, obviously) Deathly Hallows seems nicely dark and horrible as a culmination of all this. Definitely at Hogwarts, where Lily and James are buried. My addition to the Langford hypothesis is that he seems to have forgotten the-dragon-who-must-not-be-tickled. Have always held that there's something down there, Smorg-like, guarding the Ultimate Secret under Hogwarts. 7) Next DADA professor. My stab at this is that it might be Aberforth. Langford's overall thesis seems to be that Harry got a bit of Lily's soul in the head as a result of GH (not Voldie) - a sort of failed, reversed-horclucky effect, and this overdose of love will be enough to see off Voldie for good in the end. Yuck etc. Only bright point on this theory is where does the sixth bit of Voldie's soul end up in this scenario ? Oh well, it wiled away an afternoon.. Carolyn .. and Happy New Year to all From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 30 16:59:42 2006 From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:59:42 -0000 Subject: If Harry is a Horcrux Message-ID: Maybe this has been brought up before but if Harry is a horcrux, why would Voldie want to kill him? Would killing Harry destroy the Horcrux. Could the final scene be Harry realising himself to be a horcrux and commits suicide? What happens when a piece of your soul (as in a horcrux) is detroyed? Do you have chest pain or headache? I know this probably silly thinking, but maybe one of you intelligent people will kindly give your thoughts on this. Happy New Year to All! Fran From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 30 18:18:12 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:18:12 -0000 Subject: HPDH - Predictions and Lucky Guesses In-Reply-To: <685822.54021.qm@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, Magda Grantwich wrote: > > Happy Holidays, all. > > Not being much concerned with the meaning of the title (which will > proably have to wait until we read the book), I want to jump to the > important stuff. > > What's going to happen? Any predictions? Here are a few of mine: > The Wizarding authorities will decide to cancel Hogwarts' academic year - Harry will still return, for some Horcrux-hunting, and to retrieve the Half-Blood Prince's book (why else would be told how carefully Harry placed the book in the R of R?) Hermione will come up with the brilliant idea of contacting Eileen Prince, who now resides inconspicuously in whatever nebulous social realm those of a mixed-Wizarding-World-marriage must dwell (she remains wed to Tobias Snape). Eileen will point the Trio in the right direction as far as determining Snape's present whereabouts, and give an important clue regarding his true allegiance. Something must be done to repair James Potter's tattered reputation. What could be better serve this end than a Pensieve trip to Godric's Hallows ? I mean Hollow, on Holloween ? I mean Halloween night, 1980? And just who has those memories of James' heroic last stand buried deep within his psyche? (Hint: In PoA, the dementors could make him faint by dredging them up). Pace Pippin, I used to regularly predict Pettigrew's sacrificial death as he nobly saves Harry. But now, I'm no longer convinced that this is going to occur. Despite some doubt, I'm mostly convinced that Snape will turn out to be DDM, and I somehow don't think Snape & Wormtail will wind up on the same side. So, Peter will be craven to the end, but will nevertheless start a chain of events that will decisively contribute to the demise of Voldemort. Azkaban Prison has been hovering around the story since Book 2 ? I predict at least one scene will actually takes place at the infamous Prison. Death Eaters take over the prison, take several prominent MOM personnel hostage (including Percy, Fudge & Umbridge), and put the dementors back in charge. Harry participates in a rescue mission, and also to find another Horcrux hidden at Azkaban. I agree that Sirius remains dead. RAB is Regulus. Snape dies at the Climax, as does Voldemort. Harry still doesn't know that the Hogshead barkeep is Aberforth, so that will come up at some point. Deaths in Book Seven: Voldy and most of the unrepentant Death Eaters. Draco Malfoy will be killed by Voldemort early in Book Seven, because of his cowardice at the Tower (you can't have too many villains running loose as we approach the Grand Finale). Vernon will inadvertently be killed early in Book Seven by Death Eaters, trying to get Harry (Petunia & Dudley will go into hiding) For the good guys: Molly Weasley (her OOP Boggart vision being an example of dramatic irony), Lupin (non ESE!), Moody, Scrimegour, & Mumdungus (OK, so those last two aren't exactly good), several lesser students and OOPers, and last but not least Harry himself. All the other Weasleys, Hermione, Hagrid, Tonks, Luna & Neville will survive. - CMC (who has been a mighty poor Potterverse prophet so far) From silmariel at a_silmariel.yahoo.invalid Sat Dec 30 19:22:04 2006 From: silmariel at a_silmariel.yahoo.invalid (silmariel) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:22:04 +0100 Subject: [the_old_crowd] If Harry is a Horcrux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56f2b65c0612301122ja7c34f4lce3c6a8ba1193b32@...> On 12/30/06, fhmaneely wrote: > > Maybe this has been brought up before but if Harry is a horcrux, why > would Voldie want to kill him? It doesn't mind so much, unless he is the last Horcrux. Though I suppose he will want to have him near to get the piece of soul back? That could explain the Harry-is-mine rule that he has spreaded between DE. Would killing Harry destroy the Horcrux. Sounds archetipical. Destroy the object and you destroy the charm. Could the final scene be Harry realising himself to be a horcrux and > commits suicide? You know, that would be a very good reason for a villain to turn his arch-enemy into a Hx. I know this probably silly thinking, but maybe one of you intelligent > people will kindly give your thoughts on this. > > Happy New Year to All! > Fran > > If I may join, how about Hogwarts itself being the Hx. That would be a loss. Happy New Year! Silmariel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 31 03:18:52 2006 From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 03:18:52 -0000 Subject: "Oh, bad luck, Harry." In-Reply-To: <2D3CDC3B-1109-4B56-9BDD-20D9B348EE49@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith is like: > > See, I got to thinking. If there's the Felix Felicis Potion, why not > the exact opposite, an Infaustus Infusion. Have a slurp of that > and ... oh dear. No need to for extra-Canonic invention here - adhering to Canon will allow the same results. See FB&WTFT - specifically, the Mackled Malaclaw: "The Malaclaw's bite has the unusual side effect of making the victim highly unlucky for a period of up to a week after the injury. If you are bitten by a Malaclaw, all bets, wagers and speculative ventures should be cancelled, as they are sure to go against the victim" (p. 28). - CMC From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid Sun Dec 31 14:20:12 2006 From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:20:12 -0000 Subject: If Harry is a Horcrux In-Reply-To: <56f2b65c0612301122ja7c34f4lce3c6a8ba1193b32@...> Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, silmariel wrote: > > On 12/30/06, fhmaneely wrote: > > > > Maybe this has been brought up before but if Harry is a horcrux, why > > would Voldie want to kill him? > > > It doesn't mind so much, unless he is the last Horcrux. Though I suppose he > will want to have him near to get the piece of soul back? That could explain > the Harry-is-mine rule that he has spreaded between DE. > > Would killing Harry destroy the Horcrux. > > > Sounds archetipical. Destroy the object and you destroy the charm. > > Could the final scene be Harry realising himself to be a horcrux and > > commits suicide? > > > You know, that would be a very good reason for a villain to turn his > arch-enemy into a Hx. > > > I know this probably silly thinking, but maybe one of you intelligent > > people will kindly give your thoughts on this. > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > Fran > > > > > If I may join, how about Hogwarts itself being the Hx. That would be a loss. > > Happy New Year! > > Silmariel > > Now that is an interesting thought! I can see it now Voldie and Harry at Hogwarts and in the graveyard there which could be THE HALLOWS. Happy New Year to you as well! Fran