From entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid  Thu Feb  1 14:43:51 2007
From: entropymail at entropymail.yahoo.invalid (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:43:51 -0000
Subject: The Release Date is July 21st!
Message-ID: <epsub7+q21l@...>

Well, it's official. The release date will be July 21, 2007. I've
already pre-ordered from Barnes and Noble!

:: Entropy ::
Visit my Esty shop at www.SugarcubeDesign.etsy.com




From dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid  Thu Feb  1 15:28:03 2007
From: dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:28:03 -0000
Subject: The Release Date is July 21st!
In-Reply-To: <epsub7+q21l@...>
Message-ID: <ept0u3+qff4@...>

entropymail wrote:
>
> Well, it's official. The release date will be July 21, 2007. I've
> already pre-ordered from Barnes and Noble!

I suppose Canadians shouldn't take literally the promise that it will 
be released at 00:01 BST in English-speaking countries other than the 
USA?  Which would be between 4 and 7:30 pm Friday evening there.

David





From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid  Thu Feb  1 20:19:32 2007
From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:19:32 -0000
Subject: The Release Date is July 21st!
In-Reply-To: <ept0u3+qff4@...>
Message-ID: <epti0k+9b21@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" <dfrankiswork at ...> wrote:
> 
> I suppose Canadians shouldn't take literally the promise that it will 
> be released at 00:01 BST in English-speaking countries other than the 
> USA?  Which would be between 4 and 7:30 pm Friday evening there.
> 

That's what her site seems to imply.
So those across the water may have finished reading it while 
comfort-lovers back here are still tucked up in their scratchers.
But she's never been very good with figures.... so I'll wait for the
inevitable correction:

"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows will be on sale sometime in the
morning of 21st July, depending on when Kneasy crawls out of his pit,
drinks 3 mugs of coffee, has two roll-ups, showers and takes the dog
for a walk."

That's fair, I think. 




From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid  Fri Feb  2 00:04:31 2007
From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:04:31 -0000
Subject: The Release Date is July 21st!
In-Reply-To: <epsub7+q21l@...>
Message-ID: <eptv6f+10fo5@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "entropymail" <entropymail at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Well, it's official. The release date will be July 21, 2007. I've
> already pre-ordered from Barnes and Noble!
> 
>

I just went through TLC's archives to see when the major milestones 
occurred on the way to HBP's release date. This should give us a 
rough timetable for us to be anticipating similar milestones for DH

12/21/04 - HBP to be released on 7/16/05

12/22/04 - HBP will be shorter than OOP, have less than 38 chapters

1/24/05	- HBP will have 672 pages

2/11/05	- British edition of HBP will have 608 pages

3/8/05 	- Cover art for the Scholastic book debuts on the Today show ?
 the Bloomsbury cover also becomes available 

4/28/05	 - Announcement that Jim Dale's audio version would go on 
sale concurrent with the book

5/11/05	- Deluxe high-resolution image of cover becomes available 

5/13/05	- JKR announces on her website her plans for 7/16/05 (reading 
at an Edinburgh book store, etc)

6/05/05	- Scholastic announces that 10.8 million copies of HBP have 
been printed, and will soon be shipped to distributors

06/09/05 - JKR granted injunction against those trying to  disclose 
HBP contents before publication (rumors circulate that Dumbledore 
dies in Book Six)

07/08/05 - Back cover of Scholastic edition becomes available

07/13/05 - Entire Scholastic jacket cover made available
 
    - CMC




From josturgess at mooseming.yahoo.invalid  Fri Feb  2 16:20:21 2007
From: josturgess at mooseming.yahoo.invalid (mooseming)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:20:21 -0000
Subject: HP thread in national UK paper
Message-ID: <epvoc5+osmr@...>

Hi all

The Grauniad has started a thread re: HP what happens in the final 
book. if you are interested in gleaning opinions from others who may 
not be quite so obsessed as, well, some of us... try checking out


http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/open_thread/2007/02/potter.html


Regards
Jo




From carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid  Sat Feb 10 12:09:29 2007
From: carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:09:29 -0000
Subject: HP thread in national UK paper
In-Reply-To: <epvoc5+osmr@...>
Message-ID: <eqkclp+cad7@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "mooseming" <josturgess at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi all
> 
> The Grauniad has started a thread re: HP what happens in the final 
> book. if you are interested in gleaning opinions from others who 
may 
> not be quite so obsessed as, well, some of us... try checking out
> 
> 
> http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/open_thread/2007/02/potter.html
> 
> 
> Regards
> Jo
>

Jo, thanks for this! Contained a refreshing list of suggestions I 
thought:


...As long as it involves juggling chainsaws, I'm not really fussed.

...I've juggled chainsaws, that's too easy for wizards. But if they 
could explain where all my biros go then I'd be really impressed.

.."Harry took another long, long swig of whisky, cocked the shotgun 
and stumbled laughing towards the primary school."

...After so many years I do hope that Harry finally sits down on the 
loo and does the business. I don't think he's been once. Blessed 
relief.

Carolyn,
who wishes she had time for HP 




From dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid  Mon Feb 12 09:27:55 2007
From: dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:27:55 -0000
Subject: HP thread in national UK paper
In-Reply-To: <eqkclp+cad7@...>
Message-ID: <eqpbur+r5g5@...>

Carolyn quoted from the Gurdiana:

> ...After so many years I do hope that Harry finally sits down on the 
> loo and does the business. I don't think he's been once. Blessed 
> relief.

I think that HP is streets ahead of most fiction (at least the fiction 
that I read) in mentioning toilets, and setting scenes in them.  We 
even get Harry's thoughts about them being flushed into the lake, when 
he is swimming in it.

Clearly a point to bear in mind when arguing with HP's detractors.

David




From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid  Mon Feb 12 15:04:21 2007
From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:04:21 +0000
Subject: Fogging the Future
Message-ID: <794C8094-A889-4F75-B9B1-DD1EB99C678B@...>

Never had much truck with astrology, I Ching or any of that lot.  
Well, usually, that is. At one time I was a dab hand with a Tarot  
deck, but that was because so many girls were fascinated by the  
thought of a reading - even if it was back at my place. "You will  
meet a bearded man who has ulterior motives..." Worked, too, mostly  
because we'd be talking about her instead of tedious bloke-ish stuff  
like football or cars. Still, by the standards of occult chicanery it  
was fairly innocent stuff and nobody took it too seriously.

But take it seriously some folk do. A few years back, John Sladek, an  
irrepressibly mischievous SF writer, came up with the 13th zodiacal  
sign, Arachne (30th Nov - 17th Dec) and published a hoax book about  
it under the name James Vogh. None of the astrology crowd seemed to  
get the joke - they took him seriously, pointing out that Ptomely  
mentions Ophiuchus in his star catalogue, and so on, and so on, and  
"yes, we know all about it and I really can't explain why we've never  
mentioned it before, it's all terribly complicated." Odd that they'd  
never bothered to mention to a chunk of saggitarians that they'd been  
getting the wrong readings all these years. Mind you, it was Sladek's  
own fault - he shouldn't have used plausibly logical reasoning;  
always a mistake when dealing with a belief system.

Never really understood why such beliefs still flourish - I mean,  
haven't we decided that the Ptomeleic idea of planets and stars being  
fixed in crystal spheres and therefore each potentially able to exert  
an influence equal to any other, is a load of tripe? And what is this  
'influence' anyway? Gravity? Met someone once who spent weeks  
calculating the gravitational force exerted by Jupiter on a newborn  
babe in a delivery suite. Turned out that a double-decker bus passing  
the hospital had more pull - and as for the mid-wife standing in the  
catching position, well...  But you'll  never hear a prediction "The  
bus was going to Goldsmith's Hall, so you'll be lucky with money, and  
the mid-wife was named Felicity, so you'll be sweet and gentle." Too  
simple, I suppose - plus there'd be some very pointed questions if  
the vehicle was a garbage truck and the mid-wife was called  
Messalina. The lonely  hearts columns could offer some entertainment,  
though: "32 y.o. hot stuff Shell Petroleum Tanker, non-smoker, GSOH,  
WLTM 40s Fire Appliance. Extendable ladder and foam generator  
essential."

Then there're the oracles. Never a plain answer, always couched in  
ambiguous terms that could mean anything or nothing. There was that  
Greek king who got the message that if he crossed the Hellespont a  
great empire would fall. Damn fool got the idea that meant he'd win  
and you can bet your boots that the seer didn't disillusion him,  
probably gratefully trousered a hefty bonus from an ecstatic ruler.  
Since the wars of the time generally got fought to a finish, even if  
it took years, and since every jumped up little scrote ruling a  
territory slightly larger than your back  garden considered himself  
an emperor, the oracle couldn't really lose with that one, could he?  
Now if it had been me that got that forecast, the oracle would've  
been strung up by the goolies until he got a bit more specific.

Has anyone ever heard of a seer who comes right out with it, no  
messing, no prevarication, no ambiguity, a straight-forward "Your cat  
will be run over on Tuesday, 'bout half-past two, by a speeding Post  
Office van."? Not recently, I'll bet. Mind you, those that have  
generally wished that they hadn't. For example, Elizabeth Barton (aka  
The Nun of Kent) with a history of trances and prophecies behind her,  
predicted that if Henry VIII divorced Catherine of Aragon and married  
Anne Boleyn, then he'd die within a month. The King dropped by to see  
her after she'd been  carted off to the Tower, had a chat, then had  
her executed for treason. So busy being concerned about the future,  
she forgot about the present. Didn't matter if her visions were real  
or faked, to "encompass or imagine the death of our lord the king"  
was one of the seven definitions of high treason. And she was wrong  
anyway.
You have to laugh, don't you?

There is one sub-group that tends towards specificity, those  
forecasting the end of the world or some such trivia, and there have  
been an awful lot of them over the centuries. A considerable majority  
of these forecasts are predicted to occur within the expected life- 
time of the forecaster, who invariably considers him/herself one of  
the elect who, due to divine dispensation will avoid the general  
nastiness visited on everyone else and proceed straight to their  
preferred nirvana.
Sort of "Do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dolours...."

Not a few, when the due date passes without the expected  
Gotterdamarung son et lumiere, show considerable resilience by  
redoing their sums and coming up with a new date, sometimes more than  
once. Yet still their followers do not dessert them. Just supports  
the contention that man is not a rational being, merely a  
rationalising one.

Yet despite the dodgy track record demonstrated by futurologists  
throughout the ages, they get a much kinder treatment in fiction.  
There every prophecy turns out to be valid - unless it's a deliberate  
fake uttered for misleading and dastardly purposes. Reasonable  
enough, one thinks. These little snippets are usually clues (of the  
conundrum variety) intended to give the protagonists (and sometimes  
the reader) something to worry about. And always, but always, there's  
an irritating mentor figure who already knows what it's all about,  
but for various high-minded reasons doesn't see fit to enlighten the  
hero/heroine, even though this would prevent an awful lot of trouble  
- and about two volumes in the three volume series. The hero/heroine  
invariably has an impressive talent or two, but these never include  
intelligence, logic or the ability to conduct a risk assessment study  
before, fired up with boundless enthusiasm, he/she rushes off into a  
patently obvious trap. He/she never does figure out the true meaning  
of any prophecy - ever. It has to be explained in words of one  
syllable a couple of chapters from the end. Naturally our hero is gob- 
smacked at the deviousness of the words uttered by a slightly batty,  
scruffy and unwashed pensioner living in a hole in the ground and  
subsisting on nuts and the romance equivalent of road-kill. Who'd  
have thought it? Everyone but you, mate.

In conformity with her reputation for deviousness Jo has added a few  
twists to the standard fictional treatment of prophecies, seers and  
'here's a convoluted clue' brigade. There's more than a little  
ambivalence as to whether Divination is the real deal or if it's folk  
superstition that's got respectable solely through repetition. For a  
start the two characters that presumably reflect her own views and  
generally regarded as guides to what is true (in plot terms) can't be  
regarded as enthusiasts for the forecasting lark. DD was seriously  
considering dropping the subject from the school curriculum as  
worthless and Hermy is just plain dismissive. Even the super- 
stargazing Centaurs warn of the dangers of assuming that the future  
is up there for those that can read it. Well, OK, you may say - it  
matters not a jot whether that prophecy is true, but it does matter  
if characters *believe* it to be true. That belief will be enough to  
drive the plot along its arc as per the Ministry dust-up.
Couldn't agree more, and yet...

It's no secret that I'm a firm advocate of the Puppetmaster!DD  
heresy, and by extension have a strong suspicion that Sybill was DD's  
mouthpiece at the Inn, that he quite literally put words into her  
mouth. But what about the other prophecy, the one in PoA? Was it  
real, or was it too a bit of sleight-of-tongue? Hm. Difficult. Mind  
you, there are minor differences between the two. With the Inn  
episode, the stories from Sybill and DD don't quite match; DD reckons  
that the eavesdropper wasn't able to hear the prophecy  in its  
entirety, yet old Syb, who should have been in a trance, recollects  
Snape bursting into the room. Somebody is leading us up the garden  
path. Might even be Jo - if the eavesdropper is not Sevvy after all.  
Again, in HBP she reports that she'd felt "a little odd", whereas on  
PoA  she thinks she may just have "drifted off". Not quite the same  
thing. Is it a significant difference? Are both real prophecies, is  
one real (if so, which?), or are both fake?

BTW - a stray thought regarding the prophecy.
With a fully paid up membership of the Puppetmaster!DD club, and an  
addiction to twisty thinking, it took all of 15 seconds on the first  
reading of OoP to arrive at the conclusion that "neither can live"  
referred to James and Lily and that DD therefore knew in advance that  
they would have to be sacrificed for Harry to gain protection - and  
did nothing. Not a popular theory with the DD cheering section.  
However, it has occurred to me that the "neither can live while the  
other survives", indeed the whole Dark Lord shtick can be tied to  
another fragment of my aberrant logic. PT - of course. Suppose that  
the prophesy isn't about Voldy and Harry - after all, Voldy's name  
doesn't get mentioned. Suppose it's meant to be about Harry and  
Sally, and that fragment inside the Potter noggin, and that Voldy is  
mostly incidental to the situation, he's just the one that passed it on.

Then there's Ron.
He's got a reputation for throw-away lines and jokes which turn out  
to be uncannily close to eventual events. He's probably got a better  
track record than Sybill. Of course, if a popular theory of  
yesteryear (that there is an unmentioned dead Weasley son) is  
correct, then that would make Ron a seventh son. Hmm. I wonder how  
many brothers Arthur had? Six perhaps? Now that would be really sneaky.

Though that's Jo for you. Will it all work out according to the  
confused ramblings of a dodgy old bat or is there more to it?
Is the prophecy a glimpse of the future or a cunning ploy designed to  
influence the future?
Only a few months before we find out and in the meantime Jo keeps us  
guessing, 'cos if we're uncertain about a key 'fact' then reader  
predictions become ever more tentative.

Kneasy




From technomad at ericoppen.yahoo.invalid  Wed Feb 14 02:55:56 2007
From: technomad at ericoppen.yahoo.invalid (Eric Oppen)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:55:56 -0600
Subject: Dumbledore as chess-player
Message-ID: <008d01c74fe3$b3e50650$d9570043@D6L2G391>

I was rereading PS/SS, and it occurred to me that the scene on the tower was 
presaged there---in the big chess game where Harry, Ron and Hermione are 
taking the places of chessmen.

Ron, if you'll recall, was the one in charge of the game.  He told Harry and 
Hermione where and how to move.

He also deliberately sacrificed himself to win the game.

It's been theorized before that Ron _is_ Dumbledore---we know that time 
travel can work in the Potterverse.  JKR has said that he isn't, but there 
are resemblances, and before D'dore's hair went white, we saw in the 
flashback in CoS that it was "auburn," which is a sort of up-market way of 
saying that it's a shade of red.

When Ron let himself be taken out in the chess game, Harry and Hermione were 
both horrified, but Ron told them that it was the only way.  And at first, 
he looked like he was dead.

Could this have been a "rehearsal" for the events of Book Six?  Dumbledore 
deliberately sacrificing himself so that the DEs would get out of the 
school, and so that Snape could be on the fast-track to influence with 
V'mort? 




From dk59us at dk59us.yahoo.invalid  Wed Feb 14 04:06:25 2007
From: dk59us at dk59us.yahoo.invalid (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:06:25 -0000
Subject: Fogging the Future
In-Reply-To: <794C8094-A889-4F75-B9B1-DD1EB99C678B@...>
Message-ID: <equ1s1+eruq@...>

Kneasy wrote:
<snipped except for one part that jogged a stray thought from
Eustace_Scrubb's addled pate>

> It's no secret that I'm a firm advocate of the Puppetmaster!DD  
> heresy, and by extension have a strong suspicion that Sybill was   
> DD's mouthpiece at the Inn, that he quite literally put words into   
> her mouth. But what about the other prophecy, the one in PoA? Was it  
> real, or was it too a bit of sleight-of-tongue? Hm. Difficult. Mind  
> you, there are minor differences between the two. With the Inn  
> episode, the stories from Sybill and DD don't quite match; DD   
> reckons that the eavesdropper wasn't able to hear the prophecy  in   
> its entirety, yet old Syb, who should have been in a trance,   
> recollects Snape bursting into the room. Somebody is leading us up   
> the garden path. Might even be Jo - if the eavesdropper is not Sevvy   
> after all.  Again, in HBP she reports that she'd felt "a little   
> odd", whereas on PoA  she thinks she may just have "drifted off".   
> Not quite the same thing. Is it a significant difference? Are both   
> real prophecies, is one real (if so, which?), or are both fake?

Now Eustace_Scrubb, pondering the Potterverse while waiting for a
blizzard to begin:

We hear a lot in HBP about Tom Riddle's timely planting of false
memories when he framed Morfin and Hepzibah Smith's house elf for
murders they didn't commit.  If one advocates the Puppetmaster!DD
scenario, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to imagine that Trelawney's
memory of Snape bursting in (when, as you say, she should have been in
a trance) could have been a plant.  Surely DD would have been able to
do this--and given the overall thrust of Puppetmaster!DD I won't argue
that DD was "too noble" to do so, if it forwarded his plan.  If the
memory was a plant, the interesting question would be "When?"  At the
beginning, back at the Hog's Head, or much closer to the moment Harry
got the story from Sybill?  And to exactly what purpose?

On a possibly related note, I wonder if Harry might find vial or two 
of memories that lead him back into the Pensieve in DH...if he's
anywhere near it.

Perhaps I'll ponder further tomorrow while shovelling...

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb





From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid  Wed Feb 14 22:14:03 2007
From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:14:03 -0000
Subject: Fogging the Future
In-Reply-To: <equ1s1+eruq@...>
Message-ID: <er01jb+iftk@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Eustace_Scrubb" <dk59us at ...> wrote:
> 
> We hear a lot in HBP about Tom Riddle's timely planting of false
> memories when he framed Morfin and Hepzibah Smith's house elf for
> murders they didn't commit.  If one advocates the Puppetmaster!DD
> scenario, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to imagine that Trelawney's
> memory of Snape bursting in (when, as you say, she should have been in
> a trance) could have been a plant.  Surely DD would have been able to
> do this--and given the overall thrust of Puppetmaster!DD I won't argue
> that DD was "too noble" to do so, if it forwarded his plan.  If the
> memory was a plant, the interesting question would be "When?"  At the
> beginning, back at the Hog's Head, or much closer to the moment Harry
> got the story from Sybill?  And to exactly what purpose?
> 

DD, being the most powerful wizard in the known universe, or at least
in the Potterverse, should find a little mind-bending no problem at all.

As for when the idea of Snapes dramatic entrance was planted in Syb...
um. Not immediately, 'cos we've got the Penseive and Prophecy Orb
showing the old girl doing her party piece uninterrupted - though I  
suppose they could be fixed too. Though that seems overly complicated,
even for DD. 

Best bet is after young Potter joined Hogwarts IMO.
Voldy might have come a permanent cropper at Godric's Hollow, or he
might not have managed his come-back tour, or done it some other
way, so keeping things flexible makes sense. But when he does return,
foster a nice antipathy between Harry and Sevvy, let it fester to the stage
where Harry will believe anything of Snapey, prime old Syb (kept close to
hand all these years), stand back and let events (or the plan) take their 
course.

Besides, there was always an outside chance that Potter might end up  
in Slytherin after all.
Perhaps it's all the mental pressure that's made Syb hit the bottle.

> On a possibly related note, I wonder if Harry might find vial or two 
> of memories that lead him back into the Pensieve in DH...if he's
> anywhere near it.

Bound to.
Either that or he'll mend his magic mirror and start chatting to stiffs.
Maybe both.

Kneasy




From dk59us at dk59us.yahoo.invalid  Sun Feb 18 03:13:31 2007
From: dk59us at dk59us.yahoo.invalid (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:13:31 -0000
Subject: Quirrell's tenure (was Re: The DADA curse and Harry)
In-Reply-To: <002f01c740ec$1963d120$06570043@D6L2G391>
Message-ID: <er8g8r+8fif@...>

Eric Oppen wrote:
> I was sitting around thinking about the "curse" that's on the 
> Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher's position

> Let's recap what happened to the DADA professors we know about.
> 
> Quirrell: possessed by Vapormort and "left to die."
<snip>

Now Eustace_Scrubb:
I wonder...how long was Quirrell the DADA teacher?  We are given the
impression that he was at Hogwarts teaching prior to Harry's arrival
in PS.  Hagrid tells Harry after the meeting in the Leaky Cauldron: 
"Poor bloke.  Brilliant mind.  He was fine while he was studyin' outta
books but then he took a year off ter get some first-hand
experience...They say he met vampires in the Black Forest and there
was a nasty bit o'trouble with a hag - never been the same since. 
Scared of the students, scared of his own subject".  That sure sounds
like he taught DADA for more than one year, although perhaps we could
hypothesize that he taught some other subject "outta books," then went
to get "first-hand experience" when he was given the DADA job and so
only taught that subject for one year.  But it seems a stretch...

But by the time HBP rolled around, DD notes that "we have never been
able to keep a Defense against the Dark Arts teacher for longer than a
year since I refused the post to Lord Voldemort." (exactly when was
that?  ca. 1970? at the very latest 1979 or 1980-tho' that seems
highly unlikely)

I wonder now whether this is just evidence that JKR wrote PS without
all that clear a notion of how the other 6 books would develop--after
all, until the first one was picked up and published, the "series" was
just a vague concept.  Later the "curse" became more specific.

If indeed the interview with LV took place sometime in the late '60s
or early '70s, that would mean that Harry's parents also had 7
different DADA teachers.  Better than 2 dozen DADA professors would
have passed through Hogwarts by Harry's 7th year.  I wonder if all of
them were as ill-fated as Harry's instructors?  It would seem the last
dozen or so (not just Quirrell through Snape) would have had to be
nuts to take the position.  Does Hogwarts carry workman's comp insurance? 

Cheers, 

Eustace_Scrubb






From constancevigilance at constancevigilance.yahoo.invalid  Sun Feb 18 04:15:49 2007
From: constancevigilance at constancevigilance.yahoo.invalid (constancevigilance)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 04:15:49 -0000
Subject: Quirrell's tenure (was Re: The DADA curse and Harry)
In-Reply-To: <er8g8r+8fif@...>
Message-ID: <er8jtl+r6af@...>

It's long been my belief that Quirrell is still alive. I believe we
will see him again in the final book, but even if he doesn't appear,
he could still be alive but not critical to our story line.

>
> Eric Oppen wrote:

> > Quirrell: possessed by Vapormort and "left to die."
> <snip>
> 
> Now Eustace_Scrubb:
> I wonder...how long was Quirrell the DADA teacher?  We are given the
> impression that he was at Hogwarts teaching prior to Harry's arrival
> in PS.  Hagrid tells Harry after the meeting in the Leaky Cauldron: 
> "Poor bloke.  Brilliant mind.  He was fine while he was studyin' outta
> books but then he took a year off ter get some first-hand
> experience...They say he met vampires in the Black Forest and there
> was a nasty bit o'trouble with a hag - never been the same since. 
> Scared of the students, scared of his own subject".  

That sure sounds
> like he taught DADA for more than one year, although perhaps we could
> hypothesize that he taught some other subject "outta books," then went
> to get "first-hand experience" when he was given the DADA job and so
> only taught that subject for one year.  But it seems a stretch...

CV: Personally, I think it happened just as we would expect. He taught
for at least one year, likely 2 or 3, then went on Sabbatical, then
came back for at least one year prior to Harry's first year. The only
problem with this chronology is Dumbledore's statement:


Eustace_Scrubb:
> 
> But by the time HBP rolled around, DD notes that "we have never been
> able to keep a Defense against the Dark Arts teacher for longer than
a year since I refused the post to Lord Voldemort." 

<snip>

> 
> I wonder now whether this is just evidence that JKR wrote PS without
> all that clear a notion of how the other 6 books would develop--after
> all, until the first one was picked up and published, the "series" was
> just a vague concept.  Later the "curse" became more specific.
>
> If indeed the interview with LV took place sometime in the late '60s
> or early '70s, that would mean that Harry's parents also had 7
> different DADA teachers.  Better than 2 dozen DADA professors would
> have passed through Hogwarts by Harry's 7th year.

CV: This statement is indeed problematic on several levels. Either one
must accept that the wizarding world is blasee about a parade of
dozens of teachers through the position, or that JKR made a mistake.

My hypothesis is that Dumbledore was lying to protect his
agent-in-place, Quirrell, alive and working behind the scenes to
prepare for the Final Battle. The lie is clumsy and creates the very
problem we are discussing. I think this is because Dumbledore is
unaccustomed to fibbery, but he resorted to this because he knew he
had so little time left.

CV, looking forward to seeing the Q-man, resurrected, in the Final Book.




From dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid  Sun Feb 18 15:50:10 2007
From: dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:50:10 -0000
Subject: Gotta love the tabloids
Message-ID: <er9sji+h8dn@...>

Apparently the 'deathly hallows' refers to a Qantas business class 
toilet:

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=my-mile-high-sex-with-
harry-potter-villain%26method=full%26objectid=18637719%26siteid=62484-
name_page.html

"He told me, 'It's been a bad year'."  I bet.

David




From dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid  Sun Feb 18 21:11:34 2007
From: dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid (davewitley)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:11:34 -0000
Subject: Gotta love the tabloids
In-Reply-To: <er9sji+h8dn@...>
Message-ID: <erafe6+v1pg@...>

I wrote:
>
> Apparently the 'deathly hallows' refers to a Qantas business class 
> toilet:
> 
> http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=my-mile-high-sex-with-
> harry-potter-villain%26method=full%26objectid=18637719%26siteid=62484-
> name_page.html
> 

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/2kl2fc

Sorry 'bout that!

D




From quigonginger at quigonginger.yahoo.invalid  Mon Feb 19 03:30:58 2007
From: quigonginger at quigonginger.yahoo.invalid (quigonginger)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:30:58 -0000
Subject: Quirrell's tenure (was Re: The DADA curse and Harry)
In-Reply-To: <er8g8r+8fif@...>
Message-ID: <erb5li+453v@...>

Eustace_Scrubb:
> I wonder...how long was Quirrell the DADA teacher?  We are given the
> impression that he was at Hogwarts teaching prior to Harry's arrival
> in PS.  Hagrid tells Harry after the meeting in the Leaky Cauldron: 
> "Poor bloke.  Brilliant mind.  He was fine while he was studyin' 
outta
> books but then he took a year off ter get some first-hand
> experience...They say he met vampires in the Black Forest and there
> was a nasty bit o'trouble with a hag - never been the same since. 
> Scared of the students, scared of his own subject".  That sure 
sounds
> like he taught DADA for more than one year, although perhaps we 
could
> hypothesize that he taught some other subject "outta books," then 
went
> to get "first-hand experience" when he was given the DADA job and so
> only taught that subject for one year.  But it seems a stretch...
> 
> But by the time HBP rolled around, DD notes that "we have never been
> able to keep a Defense against the Dark Arts teacher for longer 
than a
> year since I refused the post to Lord Voldemort." (exactly when was
> that?  ca. 1970? at the very latest 1979 or 1980-tho' that seems
> highly unlikely)

Ginger:

I've always managed to get the statements to line up by figuring that 
he taught DADA one year (your idea that he had taught something else 
had not entered my mind) and was hit by the curse, which, rather than 
showing up at the end of the school year, followed him to Albania 
where it struck him in the form of Parasite Voldemort (Para!Mour, if 
you use the "silent T" pronunciation).

He then returned, having been once victimized, and taught another 
year, after which he was really, really, truly and solidly nailed by 
it.  

Of course, now that you mention it, he could very well have been the 
Arithmancy teacher (that would have taken a brilliant 
mind ::shuddermathsshudder::) and would have explained why he wasn't 
cursed out of Hogwarts before.

Ginger, wondering if the curse will lift with V's demise, or if they 
should just let the Evil One teach it for a year to get rid of it.  
Hmm, would take a bit out of his Rule The World For Fun And Profit 
exploits.  Maybe not a bad idea to buy some time for the resistance.





From dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid  Mon Feb 19 09:39:02 2007
From: dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:39:02 -0000
Subject: Quirrell's tenure (was Re: The DADA curse and Harry)
In-Reply-To: <erb5li+453v@...>
Message-ID: <erbr7m+7906@...>

Ginger wrote:
>
> Ginger, wondering if the curse will lift with V's demise, or if they 
> should just let the Evil One teach it for a year to get rid of it.  
> Hmm, would take a bit out of his Rule The World For Fun And Profit 
> exploits.  Maybe not a bad idea to buy some time for the resistance.

I believe you've hit it.

Voldemort will get the DADA job (imperio, polyjuice, metamorphmagy, 
whatever), and *the curse will get him*.

The story will revolve around Harry's futile attempts to get him fired 
but, fortunately for the WW, he will fail.

Simple, poetic, Greekly inevitable.

David




From coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid  Tue Feb 20 01:20:10 2007
From: coriolan at coriolan_cmc.yahoo.invalid (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:20:10 -0000
Subject: Gotta love the tabloids
In-Reply-To: <erafe6+v1pg@...>
Message-ID: <erdica+cuib@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley" <dfrankiswork at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I wrote:
> >
> > Apparently the 'deathly hallows' refers to a Qantas business 
class 
> > toilet:
> > 
> > http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=my-mile-high-sex-
with-
> > harry-potter-villain%26method=full%26objectid=18637719%
26siteid=62484-
> > name_page.html
> > 
> 
> Or try this:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/2kl2fc
> 


"Hey, good-looking, want to step in the can and see my Dark Mark?"

   - CMC




From catlady at catlady_de_los_angeles.yahoo.invalid  Sun Feb 25 20:15:44 2007
From: catlady at catlady_de_los_angeles.yahoo.invalid (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:15:44 -0000
Subject: Fogging the Future
In-Reply-To: <794C8094-A889-4F75-B9B1-DD1EB99C678B@...>
Message-ID: <ersqpg+ukpc@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith
<arrowsmithbt at ...> wrote:

> But take it seriously some folk do. A few years back, John Sladek, 
> irrepressibly mischievous SF writer, came up with the 13th zodiacal  
> sign, Arachne (30th Nov - 17th Dec) and published a hoax book about  
> it under the name James Vogh. None of the astrology crowd seemed to  
> get the joke - they took him seriously, pointing out that Ptomely  
> mentions Ophiuchus in his star catalogue, and so on, and so on, and 

You remind me that there was a book, more than 30 years ago, asserting
the 13th and 14th zodiacal signs, Ophiuchus and Cetus. My mother saw
the blurb that said that people born [November 7] are not Scorpios and
expressed that this should be true so that I would not be a Scorpio so
I would not be such an unpleasant person. But I leafed through the
book at the shop and saw that the personality profile for [November 7]
was just the same when the sign is Cetus as when the sign is Scorpius.

> correct, then that would make Ron a seventh son. Hmm. I wonder how  
> many brothers Arthur had? Six perhaps? Now that would be really
> sneaky.

You know JKR said on her website that Arthur was one of THREE brothers
(and Ginevra is the first Weasley daughter in several generations).
<http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=7>
I have trouble believing that the Malfoy comment that 'all the
Weasleys' have red hair, freckles, and more children than they can
afford refers to a past generation with only 3 children, so the 'all'
must be all the current generation, Arthur and his two brothers, so
where are the other two flocks of red-heads?