Re: What’s the point of the Deathly Hallows? Not the book, but the Hallows?

[Annemehr]

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Anne:
> > Of course, whatever happened with the Wand, DD pasted a 
> > big "sacrificial pig" sign on Snape's back since he knew the 
manner 
> > of his death would make Snape appear to be the master of the 
Wand.  
> > If anyone can tell me how things would have gone better for Snape 
had 
> > DD died with his wand in his hand, please, let me know.
> 
> 
> Pippin:
> Um, I may have it all wrong once again, but Dumbledore said Snape 
was 
> supposed to get the wand, right? And then, no doubt, stow it away 
> so he could produce it at the right moment and dispose of the 
> Dark Lord once Harry had died and rendered him killable.  But Draco
> messed it up by getting the wand first. As Snape must have known or
> could have guessed.

Anne:

Well, I had been thinking this came from Dumbledore, but it was 
actually Harry who said:

"Aren't you listening? /Snape never beat Dumbledore!/ Dumbledore's 
death was planned between them!  Dumbledore intended to die 
undefeated, the wand's last true master!  If all had gone as planned, 
the wand's pwer would have died with him, because if had never been 
won from him!" [DH ch. 36, p. 742 US]

Do we trust Harry's interpretation?  If we do, then Snape would never 
have been the master of the wand, and where ever LV may have found 
it, he would have killed Snape to win its loyalty.

If we don't trust Harry's interpretation, then one can become the new 
master of the wand by zapping the current master even when he wants 
you to zap him.  In that case, I don't see how LV could have failed 
to gain mastery of the wand when he AKed Harry in the forest.  It was 
a real AK, and it seems Harry *could* have "boarded a train" 
and "gone on."  Yet the wand never gave its allegiance to LV.  On the 
other hand, I suppose you could argue that LV got as good as he gave, 
since he was knocked out too, and they were even - so, no effect on 
the wand.

I do wish JKR had put the explanation in DD's mouth rather than 
Harry's, if she wished us to trust it.


I don't know how Snape could have guessed *any* of this.  Dumbledore 
didn't send *him* a book with a familiar symbol in it; nor did Snape 
have a chance to talk to Ollivander or look inside LV's mind.  He was 
tied to Hogwarts, protecting the students, or else pretending to 
serve LV.  He didn't know what the ring was, nor the cloak even 
though he wore it once.  There's no way for Snape to have known what 
to do with the wand -- and nothing we are shown hints that DD even 
told him to take it.  On the contrary, the most likely thing would 
have been for DD to have been buried with it in any case.

Anne