From carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid  Mon Oct 15 15:52:10 2007
From: carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:52:10 -0000
Subject: Is he a wizard?
Message-ID: <ff02ba+ra4e@...>

This was so reminiscent of Book 1 that I couldn't help posting it.

Carolyn

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/7044989.stm




From judy at judyserenity.yahoo.invalid  Sun Oct 21 00:34:12 2007
From: judy at judyserenity.yahoo.invalid (Judy)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:34:12 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
Message-ID: <ffe6q4+f274@...>

....and spend the night at Hogwarts:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/10/20/harry.potter.ap/index.html

Ok, I'm kidding about Crouch. (I think.)  But seriously, I didn't pick 
up on this at all. (Now, *Karkaroff*, on the other hand.) I just 
figured that by age 150, Dumbledore was focused on other things in his 
life.  

The funniest part of the CNN article is where it says fans must have 
figured this out already, because they wrote explicit scenes involving 
Dumbledore. Right, like there's any characters that DON'T have explicit 
fanfic about them.

By the way, I started a post about a month ago on the "Snobby Snape" 
topic, but then got sick and haven't been online much.  I'm not sure if 
I'll post it after all this time or not; maybe. 

-- Judy, hoping that Dumbledore eventually got over his disappointment 
and found love with someone else




From katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid  Sun Oct 21 01:24:07 2007
From: katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid (Kat Macfarlane)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:24:07 -0700
Subject: [the_old_crowd] So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
References: <ffe6q4+f274@...>
Message-ID: <005c01c81381$26d8a3e0$482fdcd1@...>

On the other hand, we can all heave a sigh of relief that Snape isn't.

--Gatta


  ....and spend the night at Hogwarts:

  http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/10/20/harry.potter.ap/index.html

  Ok, I'm kidding about Crouch. (I think.) But seriously, I didn't pick 
  up on this at all. (Now, *Karkaroff*, on the other hand.) I just 
  figured that by age 150, Dumbledore was focused on other things in his 
  life. 

  The funniest part of the CNN article is where it says fans must have 
  figured this out already, because they wrote explicit scenes involving 
  Dumbledore. Right, like there's any characters that DON'T have explicit 
  fanfic about them.

  By the way, I started a post about a month ago on the "Snobby Snape" 
  topic, but then got sick and haven't been online much. I'm not sure if 
  I'll post it after all this time or not; maybe. 

  -- Judy, hoping that Dumbledore eventually got over his disappointment 
  and found love with someone else



   

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From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid  Sun Oct 21 09:57:08 2007
From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:57:08 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffe6q4+f274@...>
Message-ID: <fff7pk+a9ep@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Judy" <judy at ...> wrote:
>
> ....and spend the night at Hogwarts:
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/10/20/harry.potter.ap/index.html
> 
> Ok, I'm kidding about Crouch. (I think.)  But seriously, I didn't pick 
> up on this at all. 

Twinkle, twinkle, bluish eyes
At the thought of Grindy's thighs,
Obvious now why from Albus's walls
Only male portraits answer his calls.
The hints were there between the lines
Marchbanks for instance, when he opines
"With Transfiguration and Charms well to the fore
he did things with wands never seen before."
To you and me just incidentals,
To JKR they're diversity credentials.

Kneasy




From erisedstraeh2002 at erisedstraeh2002.yahoo.invalid  Sun Oct 21 15:29:48 2007
From: erisedstraeh2002 at erisedstraeh2002.yahoo.invalid (Phyllis)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:29:48 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <fff7pk+a9ep@...>
Message-ID: <fffr9c+rmqt@...>

<snipping Kneasy's terrific poem>  I didn't pick up on this either, but 
like Judy, I wasn't really focusing on why a 150 year old man didn't 
currently have a love life, particularly when his energies were being 
completely channelled into fighting Voldemort.  I also don't think 
Dumbledore had to be in love with Grindlewald in a sexual way to have 
had the strong relationship that was described in DH.

But at least we now have answer as to why, in an interview years ago, 
Jo wouldn't answer the question of whether any of the Hogwarts teachers 
were married, saying: "That information is sort of restricted."

Phyllis






From ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid  Sun Oct 21 23:38:13 2007
From: ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid (ewe2)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:38:13 +1000
Subject: [the_old_crowd] So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffe6q4+f274@...>
References: <ffe6q4+f274@...>
Message-ID: <91d14f320710211638r2d70231bqeb5cfb0d0aee93db@...>

On 10/21/07, Judy <judy at ...> wrote:
> ....and spend the night at Hogwarts:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/10/20/harry.potter.ap/index.html
>
> Ok, I'm kidding about Crouch. (I think.)  But seriously, I didn't pick
> up on this at all. (Now, *Karkaroff*, on the other hand.) I just
> figured that by age 150, Dumbledore was focused on other things in his
> life.

This kind of afterthought throws me a bit; it's not as if JKR needs to
maintain interest by throwing out random backstory clues here and
there. Pinning the random gay tag on a character seems off-kilter; it
doesn't add to the narrative the way it might have to a student, for
instance. Next it'll be a secret gnome-fancying coven among the
Hufflepuffs which demonstrates the reality of inter-species fetishes.

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid  Mon Oct 22 10:34:19 2007
From: carolynwhite2 at carolynwhite2.yahoo.invalid (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:34:19 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320710211638r2d70231bqeb5cfb0d0aee93db@...>
Message-ID: <ffhubb+iijp@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewetoo at ...> wrote:
>
 Next it'll be a secret gnome-fancying coven among the
> Hufflepuffs which demonstrates the reality of inter-species fetishes.
> 

It's what the goblins were collecting those sacks of gold on. 
Blackmailed Ludo Bagman over his gambling debts to inform on what went 
on in the Hufflepuff dorm (he has to have been in Hufflepuff, right?). 
That's why everyone was giggling over Cedric when he was picked as 
house champion and why he had to die.

You heard it here first.
Carolyn




From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid  Tue Oct 23 01:10:13 2007
From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:10:13 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffhubb+iijp@...>
Message-ID: <ffjhll+vj8q@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewetoo@> wrote:
> >
>  Next it'll be a secret gnome-fancying coven among the
> > Hufflepuffs which demonstrates the reality of inter-species 
fetishes.
> > 
> 
> It's what the goblins were collecting those sacks of gold on. 
> Blackmailed Ludo Bagman over his gambling debts to inform on what 
went 
> on in the Hufflepuff dorm (he has to have been in Hufflepuff, 
right?). 
> That's why everyone was giggling over Cedric when he was picked as 
> house champion and why he had to die.
> 
> You heard it here first.
> Carolyn
>
Seemed a bit odd to out DD now, and it threw me as well. Bet ole DD 
really did know about the ROR. Nice place to have a tryst.."I need a 
place to meet a date so no one will know I am gay"...hee hee hee. I 
wonder if that is why Minerva was single. She was in love with a gay 
man. The only character I ever thought was gay is Phineas Black.
Oh, and nice little poem Kneasy!

Fran




From josturgess at mooseming.yahoo.invalid  Tue Oct 23 10:12:02 2007
From: josturgess at mooseming.yahoo.invalid (mooseming)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:12:02 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <fff7pk+a9ep@...>
Message-ID: <ffkhdi+egrt@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Barry Arrowsmith" 
<arrowsmithbt at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Judy" <judy@> wrote:
> >
> > ....and spend the night at Hogwarts:
> > 
> > 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/10/20/harry.potter.ap/index.htm
l
> > 
> > Ok, I'm kidding about Crouch. (I think.)  But seriously, I 
didn't pick 
> > up on this at all. 
> 
> Twinkle, twinkle, bluish eyes
> At the thought of Grindy's thighs,
> Obvious now why from Albus's walls
> Only male portraits answer his calls.
> The hints were there between the lines
> Marchbanks for instance, when he opines
> "With Transfiguration and Charms well to the fore
> he did things with wands never seen before."
> To you and me just incidentals,
> To JKR they're diversity credentials.
> 
> Kneasy
>

The Sorting Hat's reprise!

Ah, you are not alone in picking up on the wand reference, see 
www.asadodo.com today.

Regards
Jo





From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid  Tue Oct 23 10:24:16 2007
From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:24:16 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffjhll+vj8q@...>
Message-ID: <ffki4g+2cff@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "fhmaneely" <fmaneely at ...> wrote:
>
> Seemed a bit odd to out DD now, and it threw me as well. Bet ole DD 
> really did know about the ROR. Nice place to have a tryst.."I need a 
> place to meet a date so no one will know I am gay"...hee hee hee. I 
> wonder if that is why Minerva was single. She was in love with a gay 
> man. The only character I ever thought was gay is Phineas Black.
> Oh, and nice little poem Kneasy!
> 

Why Phineas?
I'd picked Lockhart as most likely .... there's no hint that he ever 
fulfilled the fantasies of any of those adoring female fans.
Silly boy.

Kneasy 




From dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid  Wed Oct 24 13:01:39 2007
From: dfrankiswork at davewitley.yahoo.invalid (davewitley)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:01:39 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320710211638r2d70231bqeb5cfb0d0aee93db@...>
Message-ID: <ffnfnj+spsu@...>

Sean wrote:

> This kind of afterthought throws me a bit; it's not as if JKR needs to
> maintain interest by throwing out random backstory clues here and
> there. Pinning the random gay tag on a character seems off-kilter; it
> doesn't add to the narrative the way it might have to a student, for
> instance. Next it'll be a secret gnome-fancying coven among the
> Hufflepuffs which demonstrates the reality of inter-species fetishes.

There's been quite a bit of speculation around the internet about why 
she should reveal this now - poking the religious right in the eye and 
so on.

Personally, I think that she was revelling in the chance to give a, um, 
straight answer to a straight question, instead of prevaricating, 
equivocating, and refusing to answer as she has so often had to do over 
the years.  (Even now she has to be circumspect about Aberforth's 
inappropriate charms.)  I don't see any agenda in the timing of this.

David




From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid  Fri Oct 26 00:57:38 2007
From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:57:38 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffki4g+2cff@...>
Message-ID: <ffre22+tjn1@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Barry Arrowsmith" 
<arrowsmithbt at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "fhmaneely" <fmaneely@> wrote:
> >
> > Seemed a bit odd to out DD now, and it threw me as well. Bet ole 
DD 
> > really did know about the ROR. Nice place to have a tryst.."I 
need a 
> > place to meet a date so no one will know I am gay"...hee hee hee. 
I 
> > wonder if that is why Minerva was single. She was in love with a 
gay 
> > man. The only character I ever thought was gay is Phineas Black.
> > Oh, and nice little poem Kneasy!
> > 
> 
> Why Phineas?
> I'd picked Lockhart as most likely .... there's no hint that he 
ever 
> fulfilled the fantasies of any of those adoring female fans.
> Silly boy.
> 
> Kneasy

Hmmm,for some reason I had Phineas characterized as a grown up verion 
of Stewie from the tv show The Family Guy which is similar to The 
Simpsons. Juvenile stuff here, but funny. You can take a look at 
Stewie at this site www.stewielive.com/


Lockhart, eh?  Kind of like Rock Hudson. He had quite an adoring 
female base from what I have read. If I recall correctly, he wasn't 
outed till he was older. 

Oh, what about Slughorn? The silk jammies???? His little group of 
students were mostly male!

Fran
>





From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid  Fri Oct 26 01:19:16 2007
From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:19:16 -0000
Subject: DD Gay, side note
Message-ID: <ffrfak+pgcu@...>

Just taking a look at to see the DD is gay reaction at tol. Lot's of 
posters over reacting in my opinion. When I read about it, my first 
thought was this is out of left field, not let me find racism cannon in 
the books. I know there was the whole pureblood thing, but actual 
black, white, Irish, whatever racism. I just don't get the timing of 
this characterization. But I have had 2 beers, and my head is fuzzy as 
I don't imbib often. So probably just me. 

Wonder what other stuff Jo is going to throw at us!

Fran




From ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid  Fri Oct 26 03:54:12 2007
From: ewetoo at ewe2_au.yahoo.invalid (ewe2)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:54:12 +1000
Subject: [the_old_crowd] DD Gay, side note
In-Reply-To: <ffrfak+pgcu@...>
References: <ffrfak+pgcu@...>
Message-ID: <91d14f320710252054i7ef1c9f1naa42ddc8a26db8f9@...>

it's causing ructions among the wikipedia HP group:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Albus_Dumbledore

I enjoyed the picnic at the end especially..

On 10/26/07, fhmaneely <fmaneely at ...> wrote:
> Just taking a look at to see the DD is gay reaction at tol. Lot's of
> posters over reacting in my opinion. When I read about it, my first
> thought was this is out of left field, not let me find racism cannon in
> the books. I know there was the whole pureblood thing, but actual
> black, white, Irish, whatever racism. I just don't get the timing of
> this characterization. But I have had 2 beers, and my head is fuzzy as
> I don't imbib often. So probably just me.
>
> Wonder what other stuff Jo is going to throw at us!
>
> Fran
>
>

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid  Fri Oct 26 04:17:03 2007
From: katmac at lagattalucianese.yahoo.invalid (Kat Macfarlane)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:17:03 -0700
Subject: [the_old_crowd] DD Gay, side note
References: <ffrfak+pgcu@...>
Message-ID: <012c01c81787$1e3b84a0$482fdcd1@...>

One fondly hopes, that Snape just passed out, and will be found alive and making an uneventful recovery in subsequent JKR publications.

Purrs!

Gatta
Quantum me cogitis omnes!


  Just taking a look at to see the DD is gay reaction at tol. Lot's of 
  posters over reacting in my opinion. When I read about it, my first 
  thought was this is out of left field, not let me find racism cannon in 
  the books. I know there was the whole pureblood thing, but actual 
  black, white, Irish, whatever racism. I just don't get the timing of 
  this characterization. But I have had 2 beers, and my head is fuzzy as 
  I don't imbib often. So probably just me. 

  Wonder what other stuff Jo is going to throw at us!

  Fran



   

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From arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid  Fri Oct 26 13:50:24 2007
From: arrowsmithbt at kneasy.yahoo.invalid (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:50:24 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffre22+tjn1@...>
Message-ID: <ffsrb0+5iri@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "fhmaneely" <fmaneely at ...> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm,for some reason I had Phineas characterized as a grown up verion 
> of Stewie from the tv show The Family Guy which is similar to The 
> Simpsons. Juvenile stuff here, but funny. You can take a look at 
> Stewie at this site www.stewielive.com/
> 
> 
> Lockhart, eh?  Kind of like Rock Hudson. He had quite an adoring 
> female base from what I have read. If I recall correctly, he wasn't 
> outed till he was older. 
> 
> Oh, what about Slughorn? The silk jammies???? His little group of 
> students were mostly male!
> 

Of course, once you start really looking then the possibilities multiply.

I always felt there was more than a touch of tongue-in-cheek campness
in plain sight in the first book:

"Now, don't forget that nice wrist movement we've been practising!"
squeaked Professor Flitwick, perched on top of his pile of books as usual.
"Swish and flick, remember, swish and flick."

In the words of the Immortal Lehrer: 

"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd..."

Too true, been doing it for years.

Kneasy






From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid  Fri Oct 26 22:28:39 2007
From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:28:39 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffsrb0+5iri@...>
Message-ID: <fftpmn+ot0p@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "Barry Arrowsmith" 
<arrowsmithbt at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "fhmaneely" <fmaneely@> wrote:
> > 
> > Hmmm,for some reason I had Phineas characterized as a grown up 
verion 
> > of Stewie from the tv show The Family Guy which is similar to The 
> > Simpsons. Juvenile stuff here, but funny. You can take a look at 
> > Stewie at this site www.stewielive.com/
> > 
> > 
> > Lockhart, eh?  Kind of like Rock Hudson. He had quite an adoring 
> > female base from what I have read. If I recall correctly, he 
wasn't 
> > outed till he was older. 
> > 
> > Oh, what about Slughorn? The silk jammies???? His little group of 
> > students were mostly male!
> > 
> 
> Of course, once you start really looking then the possibilities 
multiply.
> 
> I always felt there was more than a touch of tongue-in-cheek 
campness
> in plain sight in the first book:
> 
> "Now, don't forget that nice wrist movement we've been practising!"
> squeaked Professor Flitwick, perched on top of his pile of books as 
usual.
> "Swish and flick, remember, swish and flick."
> 
> In the words of the Immortal Lehrer: 
> 
> "When correctly viewed, everything is lewd..."
> 
> Too true, been doing it for years.
> 
> Kneasy

Swish and flick, I love it!!  What about his name FLITwick....
Love the quote!

Fran







From kking0731 at snow15145.yahoo.invalid  Mon Oct 29 03:35:26 2007
From: kking0731 at snow15145.yahoo.invalid (snow15145)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:35:26 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <ffsrb0+5iri@...>
Message-ID: <fg3kdu+436p@...>



Kneasy snipped:

In the words of the Immortal Lehrer: 

"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd..."

Snow:

"
and the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man"

Absolutely!!!

Smut I love it

Snow





From fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid  Wed Oct 31 00:00:50 2007
From: fmaneely at fhmaneely.yahoo.invalid (fhmaneely)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:00:50 -0000
Subject: So THAT'S why Dumbledore wanted Barty Crouch Sr to have a drink
In-Reply-To: <fg3kdu+436p@...>
Message-ID: <fg8gji+85kf@...>

--- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <kking0731 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Kneasy snipped:
> 
> In the words of the Immortal Lehrer: 
> 
> "When correctly viewed, everything is lewd..."
> 
> Snow:
> 
> "
and the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man"
> 
> Absolutely!!!
> 
> Smut I love it
> 
> Snow

Let's predict what else JKR is going to throw at us:
1)Ron and Hermione did the dirty deed, and give details
2)the mating habits of eagles and horse. Buckbeaks origins!

Fran :oP

>