SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice

Cindy C. cindysphynx at comcast.net
Mon Jun 16 15:33:14 UTC 2003


Tom wrote:

> Okay. My take on this is that the Death Eaters should get their own 
> FAQ, and Aurors and Justice should be removed to the government FAQ 
> that Derannimer (ooh, and I) would like to see up here. Mostly, I 
> think this because, logistically speaking, the Aurors are an 
> enforcement arm of the Ministry, and Justice is the concern of the 
> Ministry, so I'd be more inclined to remove FAQ's on those subjects 
> to the Government FAQ.
> 
> Since the Death Eaters are contrary to the Ministry, and since they 
> don't seem to have their own FAQ, I'd suggest that they'd be better 
> off by themselves, or lumped/connected with Voldemort somehow. Of 
> course, in any government there is corruption, and so perhaps we 
> could connect the two FAQ's without necessarily combining them 
> together.


Oh, Man.  I am so totally straddling the fence on this one.  Tom 
makes a good point.  And so does Derannimer.  <wrings hands>

This is kind of complicated and involves (oh boy!) policy issues.  Do 
we think it is better to have big, huge, hulking FPs, or do we think 
it is better to have smaller FPs but more of them?  As applied to the 
current discussion, we could either consider anything MOM-related as 
belonging together, or not.  I don't know; I'm just thinking out loud.

Also relevant is whether DEs would be substantial enough as a stand-
alone topic.  I don't know.

Anyway, this is what Debbie wrote back in February to this list, 
which addresses this very issue.  It also contains her 
DE/Auror/Justice outline, which might help us figure out what issues 
belong together.  

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Hi all --

Cindy suggested we post our outlines here, so below is a very 
preliminary
outline I came up with for DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice, as 
revised to
reflect Porphyria's comments. It's not an organizational outline so 
much as a
list of topics, which I did based on a quick review of what's in the
catalogues. (BTW, the catalogues were very easy to use -- I just used 
the sort
function, which allowed me to search several topic terms at once. So 
I can get
started without waiting for Dicey's master catalogue. For some 
reason, though,
I couldn't get my filter to work.)

I'm planning to start on the justice side, and Porphyria will start 
with the
Dark Mark. 

Penny suggested combining Government with this FP. We're thinking 
about
whether that makes sense. It fits with the Justice side well, but not 
as well
with the DE side. I had somewhat envisioned the pairing of DEs, 
Aurors and
justice as suggesting a cops and robbers flavor, and there's a lot 
more to the
government FP than law enforcement. Does anyone else have any 
thoughts on
this? If we don't combine them, I will do a Government update as part 
of this
project.

Advice on what's left out would be much appreciated.

Debbie

Outline for DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice

The DEs:

DE Roll Call
Names & quick description of all known DEs; add more discussion (or
cross-reference) for those that have been discussed frequently
Who is Loyal Servant, etc.
Rumored DEs (Bagman etc.)

General DE Questions
Who are they? (just inner circle of followers or more?)
Structure and organization (cells, etc)
Recruitment (why did they join? are they a cult?)
Activities
Loyalty and competence (e.g., how come they couldn't stun Harry?)

DE Magic Theories
Dark Mark theories
Power Boost theories

Justice:

MLE Department
Crouch Sr.
Aurors (Frank L and Real!Moody)
Others?

Crime & Punishment
Azkaban and Dementors' kiss
No capital punishment
Use of unforgivables on suspects 

Criminal Procedure
Pensieve - public or private, trial or other hearings?
Crouch as judge and prosecutor
Amnesty International/Kangaroo court parallels
Jailing without trial
Failure to use Veritaserum, Priori Incantato to find truth


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Opinions?

Indecisive!Cindy -- who thinks this outline looks fabulous (and will 
lead to a truly enormous FP) and who can't think up any new topics 
for it





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