section 2 of the stuff I pasted
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SECTION 2: CHARACTER ANALYSIS
2.2.7 and 2.2.8 James and Lily Potter
Kathy Snow (2526):
LILY 2.2.8 519 posts initially, now 242
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2.2.8.1 FOUL SLAVERY (Females Offer Unlimited Levity: Save Lily And
Voldemort Eagerly Rewards You!) One post in this category that could
be blended into 2.2.8.2 *********************************
2.2.8.2 Too EWW & variants (not really an acronym) Inish Alley does
not carry a simplified definition of the theory so I'll try to sum it
up This acronym was somewhat spawned from the Lollipops theory and
grew to various degrees of EWW. The TEWW EWW starts off with
Voldemort rewarding Snape by killing James and Harry and placing Lily
under Imperious. The acronym evolves to the Even EWWWer theory that
Voldemort wanted Lily for himself for strategic purposes that
involved Lily bearing his son. But the worst-case scenario was
Voldemort saving Lily for himself for lustful purposes, which was
aptly named sooo EWWer its in the SEWERrrrrrr. 22 posts initially now
15 due to mere mention of the acronym
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2.2.8.3 MAKE ME BARF (Lily was spared for Pettigrew "Monstrous
Activity: Keeping Evil Men Entertained By Allocating Rescued
Females") This category only has 2 posts both of which could also be
melted into 2.2.8.2 or Peter-Gets-The-Girl
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2.2.8.4 AGGIE No posts yet and I couldn't find an acronym meaning at
Inish Alley ***************************************
2.2.8.5 SOPPY CHARM (Sacrifice of Purity. Perfect? Yes. Contrived?
Hardly a Reasoned Move) Two posts that basically ponder whether
Lily's sacrifice was nothing more than pure love but by way of a
charm. __________________________________________________________
JAMES 2.2.7 This category started with 399 posts its now 254
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2.2.7.1 JOBS SUCK, BUT HOW ELSE ("James Once Befriended Snape;
Snape's Unfortunate Curiousity Killed Buddiness Until Tournament
because Harry Overcame Wrath. Evil Lupin Simply Erroneous and
Dumbledore's Overarching Eternal Scheme Ought Not Engineer Losing
Innocence to Voldemort's Extinction.") One post with this acronym and
I doubt it will see any more. ************************************
2.2.7.2 UP JAB (SIC) (Ugly Potter James Awful Bully (Snapes Innocence
Crucified) No posts yet! ***********************************
2.2.7.3 (SHH) JAM TAKES BIBS (Squib Harry Hated) James Allowed
Marvolo To Avada Kedavra Evans's Son But It Backfired Severely) No
posts yet! __________________________________________________________
Quite a few of the posts were removed from the categories due to mere
mention of the character. There were 70 posts that were rejected
because they added nothing new or were repetitive views of theories
that had gone out the window. I did keep at least one of the posts
from each theory whether or not it could still be feasible i.e.
Voldemort was Lily's father. Some posts, usually short ones, got the
axe because they were reiterated in the next post and didn't affect
any other categories. I removed James and Lily from posts that were
also under Godric's Hollow/Death of James and Lily; as we agreed back
in July that it was not necessary to have all three ticked when the
post reflected the night the Potter's died.
I would still recommend that a new subcategory be formed for Lily and
her many lovers, including the LOLLIPOPS of her heart, to capture all
these types of posts in one area. There are only 53 to date but we
haven't even started OOP, I'm positive there will be many more. Then
again we could use the Too EWW & variants category to encompass all
the little devils that supposedly loved Lily. I believe it would be
an advantage to have them neatly in one folder instead of helter
skelter under the main heading.
I would also like to reiterate my initial proposal to move Lily's
sacrifice under Lily. Its more user friendly I would think, since
they are posts that concern Lily, a user would expect to find them
under her main heading.
2.5.1 Harry
Anne (2503):
On or about June 20, 2005 there were a total of 2,481 posts in all
Harry Potter categories combined; 2,376 of which were in 2.5.1 Harry
Potter. As I began reviewing, a number of others were added as the
coders brought us up to the release of OoP. Today, there are a total
of 1,398 posts in all Harry categories; a net reduction of 978.
Today the Harry categories stand thus:
2.5.1 Harry Potter -- 134
2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY -- 0
2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER -- 0
2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK -- 2
2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK -- 1
2.5.1.4 Harry's character traits/maturation -- 444
2.5.1.4.1 ASTONISHED -- 1
2.5.1.4.2 CHIMPANZEE -- 1
2.5.1.4.3 PASHMINAS -- 1
2.5.1.5 Harry's training, protection, powers -- 312
2.5.1.5.1 Harry's eyes -- 42
2.5.1.5.2 Harry's scar -- 50
2.5.1.5.3 Harry's dreams -- 49
2.5.1.5.4 Stoned!Harry -- 50
2.5.1.5.5 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE -- 2
2.5.1.5.6 DRIBBLE -- 0
2.5.1.6 Harry versus LV & DEs -- 158
2.5.1.6.1 BALDERDASH -- 11
2.5.1.6.2 HELP & LACERATE -- 1
2.5.1.6.3 TIME TURNER -- 0
2.5.1.6.4 Time turner!Harry theories -- 6
2.5.1.7 Harry's parentage/ancestry -- 128
2.5.1.7.1 HIS SWORD -- 5
RECOMMENDATIONS: ----------------- 2.5.1 Harry Potter: We need to get
these out of here because we can't have posts in third level
categories. Today, when I looked at what was left in here, I noticed
they do seem to have somthing in common (but I'm having trouble
putting it into words). They all seem to look at Harry as a literary
construct, or from "outside" the story, in contrast to the other
categories. This also holds true for the acronyms just below (2.5.1.0
to 2.5.1.4). They examine the character of Harry Potter from the
point of view of literary archetypes, or his astrological
chart/Meyers Briggs letters or Enneagram. They examine his behavior
in terms of whether rule-breaking is good for the kiddies to read, or
in terms of what's needed for plot construction, or look for
symbolism in his name, wand or handwriting. They look at him from the
point of view of the author or a literary critic.
Er... to sum up, I think we can empty 2.5.1 into a new level 4
category called "Harry as literary construct/type." What do people
think, am I making sense? Can anyone think up a better name?
2.5.1.4 Harry's character traits/maturation: I'm worried about the
fact that there are 444 posts in here and OoP still to be coded. I
could go through these again and look for repetition (it was hard to
remember what was in here after a while). I could look for some
subcategories I could pull out (though I had trouble trying to do
this before as I seemed to get loads of overlap). I am actually
planning on giving this a second look anyway, but I wanted to get
this report out first, unless Carolyn has another assignment for
me. ;) I also recommend adding a subcategory called "Harry in OoP" to
catch all the debate about his crankiness in that book.
2.5.1.5 Harry's training, protection, powers: At 312 posts, this
might also be a little full; however, there is probably much less
repetition here. Actually, for OoP, Harry's scar and Harry's dreams
will take up a lot of what's new. I recommend adding a category for
Occlumency before beginning OoP.
2.5.1.6.4 Time turner!Harry theories: There are only six posts in
here. As I recall, Carolyn created this category to quarantine these
becaue they irked her. Sorry, Miss, but I don't think they really
deserve a category of their own -- it only draws *more* attention to
them, anyway. Recommend folding them back into 2.5.1.6.
**All category numbers above refer to the categories as they now
stand.** However, they do need to be changed because we can't have
any posts in 2.5.1 at all.
Here is what I think they should be changed to:
RECOMMENDED NEW CAT. NUMBERS:
2.5.1 Harry Potter *[to be emptied into 2.5.1.1]*
2.5.1.1 Harry as literary construct/type *[or -- suggestions?]*
2.5.1.1.1 ANOTHER HARRY
2.5.1.1.2 BIC LIGHTER
2.5.1.1.3 HARD SHIPWRECK
2.5.1.1.4 SHARK ATTACK
2.5.1.2 Harry's character traits/maturation
2.5.1.2.1 ASTONISHED
2.5.1.2.2 CHIMPANZEE
2.5.1.2.3 PASHMINAS
2.5.1.2.4 Harry in OoP *[possibly more subcategories here?]*
2.5.1.3 Harry's training, protection, powers
2.5.1.3.1 Harry's eyes
2.5.1.3.2 Harry's scar
2.5.1.3.3 Harry's dreams
2.5.1.3.4 Stoned!Harry
2.5.1.3.5 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE
2.5.1.3.6 DRIBBLE
2.5.1.3.7 Occlumency
2.5.1.4 Harry versus LV & DEs
2.5.1.4.1 BALDERDASH
2.5.1.4.2 HELP & LACERATE
2.5.1.4.3 TIME TURNER *[Time turner!Harry theories folded back into
2.5.1.4]*
2.5.1.5 Harry's parents/ancestry <--changed "parentage;" it was :P
2.5.1.5.1 HIS SWORD
Carolyn (2505):
Anne: Er... to sum up, I think we can empty 2.5.1 into a new level 4
category called "Harry as literary construct/type." What do people
think, am I making sense? Can anyone think up a better name?
C: Anne, that's fine. I've created exactly the same sort of section
for Voldemort.
Anne: 2.5.1.6.4 Time turner!Harry theories: There are only six posts
in here. As I recall, Carolyn created this category to quarantine
these becaue they irked her. Sorry, Miss, but I don't think they
really deserve a category of their own -- it only draws *more*
attention to them, anyway. Recommend folding them back into 2.5.1.6.
C: Okey doke. Again, have a TTT section for Voldemort for the same
reason! Probably the same posts..
Anne: So, Carolyn -- shall I do some more work on Harry's character
traits/maturation before you change any category numbers, or shall I
do something else?
C: Will implement all your new category numbers and suggestions when
I have a moment this week - going back to work tomorrow alas :(
Suggest you wait until I have done that before doing any final
shifting/fine-tuning of categories if you can bear to look at them
all again.
2.10.4 Barty Crouch Jr.
Debbie (2545):
Crouch Jr. Report (2.10.4). So here it is:
Was: 589 Now: 333 Plus two acronyms (FORLORN BARTEMIUS and
BABEMEISTER), unchanged at 1 and 2 posts, respectively It's fair to
say that we don't need any more posts on why Crouch taught Harry to
resist the Imperius Curse. I did my best to cull down the others,
too, but there was a surprising variety of angles to examine Crouch
from, and Elkins used them all.
2.14 (and subcats) Beings
Debbie (2545):
Goblins (2.14.3): I peeked into the Beings category I signed up for
(all 997 of them) and took a preliminary look at the Goblins. Since
there were only 37 posts, I also peeked at 3.2.4 (Money and Banking;
Gringotts; taxes) and I suspect there's quite a bit of overlap. I
can't recall if that category has been done yet (I think not) but I
propose to move the posts relating to "why did the WW put the Goblins
in charge of the money?" posts over to 3.2.4 unless they also touch
on some questions relating to Goblins' abilities, natures, etc. Sound
good? And I'd be willing to offer to do 3.2.4 as well, if it's not
done, for consistency. (There's also the subsidiary benefit of being
able to read the posts on taxes. <g>)
Trolls (2.14.8): Ahem! According to Fantastic Beasts and Where to
Find Them, in 1811 Grogan Stump, the newly appointed MoM, decreed
that to be a "being" sufficient intelligence was needed to understand
the laws of the magical community. "Troll representatives were
questioned in the absence of goblins and judged not to understand
anything that was being said to them; they were therefore classified
as "beasts" despite their two-legged gait." I therefore petition to
remove 2.14.8 to the "beasts" category. However, to relieve any added
burden on the Beasts reviewer, I reviewed this category first (all 3
posts!) and reduced them to 1 post.
Can you tell I'm putting off attacking the house elves (750 of the
997 beings posts) as long as possible?
Ginger (2546): replying about Goblins:
Funnily enough, I reviewed that category just this last week. I had
just finished the 3.2.1 category and figured since they were related
I'd just go on to that since I have that section.
I remember cutting several posts that were also coded to goblins.
3.2.4 was 228 and is now 137. I consider myself done with it. If you
want to check it out and add things that aren't in there, go ahead.
Everything I cut about Gringotts was cut due to repetition, so
anything you don't see there and want to add is "something new".
Dot (2547):
Ginger – I've gone through all those posts, and the ones that had
your name on as reviewer I assumed must have been banished to that
colloportused box at the bottom of the lake – you know, the one with
all the chains and padlocks, with the 24/7 mermaid guard... So I
didn't touch them. (You did the purebloods/halfbloods bit as well,
didn't you? Anything reviewed by you I didn't touch, which, you're
right, turned out to be all of them.) In the end, I decided that
the "Can squibs/muggles make potions" posts would be best off left
cross-coded to squibs and potions. (But definitely not in magical
ability). Anyone complaining? Good. I'm not quite sure about the "can
Muggles use magical items" stuff though. We don't actually have a
code for Muggles, do we? Though we do have one for magical items. I
might just leave them in there.
Debbie (2549):
I made a rash proposal to move posts from Goblins (2.14.3) to 3.2.4
(Money and Banking; Gringotts; > taxes) to which Ginger replied :
> Funnily enough, I reviewed that category just this last week. I had
just finished the 3.2.1 category and figured since they were related
I'd just go on to that since I have that section. > > I remember
cutting several posts that were also coded to goblins. 3.2.4 was 228
and is now 137. I consider myself done with it. If you want to check
it out and add things that aren't in there, go ahead. Everything I
cut about Gringotts was cut due to repetition, so anything you don't
see there and want to add is "something new".
Debbie: I went back to the Goblins, cut them down from 37 to 23, and
decided not to move anything to Money and Banking. Much simpler that
way.
Ginger (2623) responding to Debbie:
Debbie:
1. The functions of various government agencies (Werewolf Registry,
Werewolf Support Services) and whether they help or repress
werewolves). Some of these posts are cross-coded to a government
subcategory, but I'm inclined to leave them here.
2. What is the meaning of "full moon", when does it occur, and when
when werewolves transform, how long they remain werewolves? Some of
these posts are in Lycanthropy, some not. Many (but not all) of
these posts are discussions of Lupin's transformation in POA ch. 20
and whether it is a flint. I'm inclined to say these posts should
be under Lycanthropy.
Ginger:
I did lycanthropy. You are right. There are a lot of posts there
about full moon times. I think *when* a werewolf transforms (from or
to) is a vital aspect of the illness, and does indeed belong there.
Whether or not it belongs in Werewolves is, of course, your call.
Should you wish to trim it, I don't think you'll remove a lot from
the catalogue as a whole, just from your category.
I also did MOM departments, and there were a few mentions of the
werewolf divisions. As I recall, it was a sparse category to begin
with. On those posts, I'd recommend saving anything original that
isn't coded somewhere else as I don't recall seeing very much in the
govt cats.
Debbie (2644):
Final report on 2.14 - Beings.
Once 997 posts (I don't have totals by subcategory), the current
totals are now as follows: 2.14.1 House Elves - 196
2.14.1.1 ENSLAVEMENT - 2
2.14.1.2 SUPPRESSED - 1
2.14.1.3 Dobby - 97
2.14.1.4 Winky - 42
2.14.1.5 Kreacher - 0, but that won't last
2.14.2 Centaurs - 23
2.14.2.1 Firenze - 5
2.14.3 Goblins - 23
2.14.4 Giants - 17
2.14.4.1 Fridwulfa - 3
2.14.5 Vampires - 61
2.14.6 Werewolves - 65
2.14.7 Veela - 35
2.14.8 Trolls - 1
Total: 571 (was 997) Every category went down significantly except
for poor Fridwulfa, who started out at zero and ended up with three
posts (I felt sorry for her, I guess). Except for the characters
(Dobby, Winky, Fridwulfa), I generally kept only posts that discussed
the particular category as a group (e.g., folkloric origins and how
JKR has adapted the legends to her own use, how the group acquired
its place in the WW, their unique characteristics, etc.) The
character categories include only posts about that individual as a
character; posts that use a characteristic of the character to
generalise about the group were coded only to the group.
Werewolves: I kicked out all the "when a werewolf transforms" out; I
moved a few (less than 5) to Lycanthropy and I hope Ginger will
forgive me (to ensure I wasn't just undoing her work, I didn't move
any that identified Ginger as coder). I also kicked out the Homorphus
Charm and Wolfsbane posts (as a rule, anyway). OTOH, I left all the
silver hand posts alone. Dock me 5 points for lack of consistency,
but one could at least argue that how to kill a werewolf is not a
symptom of lycanthropy. (I'm a lawyer; I can argue anything! ;-))
I'll revise the category description to cross- reference the other
categories, especially Lycanthropy.
Vampires: Not surprisingly, this was mostly about our favorite
Potions Master. Because I've already created the Snape assignment
list, I didn't make any changes to that category, even when a post
was clearly appropriate to Vampire!Snape (or not about Snape at all).
2.16 Spirits
Ginger: (2626):
Spirits is now done. There are now 433 posts, with Dementors being
the biggest category at 152.
Kiss posts remain under dementors. Talking about the legality of the
kiss is still under Azkaban and Dementors, where I think it should
be, and there is a lot of crossover, with posts discussing both, but
that's ok. They fit.
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