Language (was : TBAY - my take)

[naamagatus]

--- In HPFGU-Feedback at yahoogroups.com, "Doriane" <delwynmarch at y...> 
wrote:
> "naamagatus" wrote:
> 
> > Dicentra pointed out that TBAY posts comprise only 3% of all the 
> > posts, so it's not like they are monopolizing the discussion, is 
> > it? 
> 
> No, I agree. But they make very interesting theories and points, in 
a language that many don't understand. And until someone 
> else "translates" those posts, I can't understand them or 
>participate in them.

If it's so impossible for you to understand TBAY posts, how do you 
know "they make very interesting theories and points"? 

> 
> > If you don't like it, then frankly, it's your problem.
> 
> You're not the empathic kind, are you ?

On this subject, apparantly not. 

> > Feel left out? Well, nobody is giving you the cold shoulder on 
> > purpose.
> 
> That's not necessarily the way it *feels* though.
> How would *you* feel if I started discussing some finer point of 
>the translation of "Harry Potter et l'Ordre du Phenix" with my 
>fellow French listees, in French ? We might not *mean* to keep other 
>people out (after all, who else but French listees would *care* 
>about the French version !?), but we still would be doing just that. 
>And you would be very quick to remind us that English is the 
>official language on the list.

English *is* the official language on the list. If it wasn't, I 
wouldn't think I had the right to tell people to stop talking in the 
language of their choice (especially as it may be important in the 
context of a discussion on translation). Conversely, HPfGU does not 
have an official format in which to write posts. Therefore, I don't 
see that you have the right to demand that people stop using a format 
that they enjoy and find meaningful.


> 
> > If it bothers you so much - make the effort to 
> > learn the rules and codes, and join in. If you can't or can't be 
> > bothered, then again, that's your problem, not theirs. 
> 
> In other words : even though they speak a language that has NOT 
been 
> officially approved and declared official on the list, they have a 
> right to expect other listees to learn that language to communicate 
> with them.

I agree with msbeadsly that language is not a correct metaphor in 
this case, and refer you her post.

> > Naama, thinking that when you give people a place to whine in, > 
>they  will
> 
> If you didn't want to hear people whine, why did you come here to 
> start with ?
> 

A glutton for punishment, that's what I am :-). 
I apologize for the whine thing. I suppose that the general 
atmosphere in the list is getting to me. I want people to just ... 
stop, you know? Be nice to each other (not that I've been setting an 
example!) and not *look* for things to complain about. How about a 
little live and let live approach?



Naama, in nostalgic mood