Out-of-character moments (was Misc. on CoS)
Amy Z <lupinesque@yahoo.com>
lupinesque at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 14 18:14:41 UTC 2002
Sophia wrote:
> (Now, who was it that complained bout Harry's ugly ankle a while
back?
> There's nothing wrong with Harry's ankle. OK, so it's a tad hairy,
but
> that's what tends to happen when boys his puberty, what's wrong
with that?
> Besides, I thought the sock-scene was one of the more successful
> book-to-screen translations of the movie. Instead of having us
follow Harry
> from taking off the sock (as we do in the book)which is the start
of that
> little incident, Kloves unravels the incident backwards, which in
this case
> works better--it's more "filmic"--whew! I don't have time to try to
explain
> why, but I'm sure you get my drift anyway.
Yes. I don't know if I'm the one you're responding to--I objected to
this not on the grounds that it was un-filmic (you are right--this
order was a great way to shoot it) nor that Daniel Radcliffe has
unattractive ankles (is there such a thing as an attractive ankle?
It's like the search for an unknobbly knee), but that the bit about
actually flaunting it was OOC. It was a small matter, but one that
irked. I think they could've accomplished what they needed to with a
zoom/cut to a cuff that was pushed up enough to show that he was, in
fact, barefoot. I.e., we need to see it; Lucius needs to see it;
Harry doesn't need to show it off.
I've meant to post about other OOC moments, and I know I'm repeating
a lot of things people have said. I'm really sorry and mean no
disrespect to those who've already made the same points better. I
also really liked the movie, despite the impression the following may
give. This is just my List of Gripes post (be grateful it doesn't
deal with the Quidditch scene).
HARRY. One--sorry, Sophia--is the confession to the Dursleys that
none of his friends has written to him. I'm sorry, I just can't see
Harry doing this. He's proud, and Vernon is the last person on earth
to whom he'd confess that the magical world thing wasn't working out
so well. I realize Kloves was dealing with the problem of how to let
the viewer know something that doesn't appear in dialogue, but tough
luck--he has to find a way to do it without changing the character.
Cripes, if we *must* hear it and can't just get it from the later bit
with Dobby, have him *say* it to Dobby. Have him say it to Hedwig.
Have him yell it out the window in utter frustration, but don't make
him say it to *Vernon.*
I agree with Sophia that he's a little too hard on Ron in the
Forest. (So are the filmmakers. That spider thing just went ON and
ON and ON . . . it should've ended when they first drove away from
the clearing, IMO.) He's a tad too hard on Dobby, too. Most of that
was straight out of canon, but again, his harshness to Dobby in the
book is tempered by the narrative bits that tell us he feels terribly
sorry for him; I didn't feel they came through quite enough in the
movie. They're in danger of making him too tough and not kind
enough. Harry has Edge, but he isn't *all* Edge. He's a basically
sweet kid.
He's also smart, and the Harry in the Polyjuice scene is pretty
dumb. It's as if the moviemakers didn't think we'd remember that
those two were actually Ron and Harry if they didn't *constantly*
forget to act like Crabbe and Goyle.
Another painful moment was his little exchange with Lucius in
Flourish and Blott's. They both suffer from having plot expo crammed
into their mouths--"your scar is legend," puhleeze. Lucius would no
more say that to Harry than Harry would tell Vernon his friends
aren't writing to him, IMHO. But they wanted to tell us about the
scar, so in it went; likewise Harry's (less OOC) retort that
Voldemort was nothing but a murderer. As long as I'm on LUCIUS, it's
strongly anti-canonical and mildly OOC to have him say "See you at
work" to Arthur. Lucius does not work at the Ministry. ("Busy time
at the Ministry, I hear," ch. 4, makes no sense if he does.) The OOC
feel may be more about that Mugglish, even anachronistic, tone
to "see you at work." "See you at the Ministry" would've been ok
(still uncanonical, but ok, and we might even be able to explain it
away as meaning that he doesn't work there but spends a lot of time
there on his various philanthropic and manipulative projects).
DOBBY's little folding of the arms and cute "harumpf" nod at the end
also seemed anachronistic to me, as though I was in the vaguely
medieval world of Hogwarts and Roger Rabbit suddenly came bounding
down the hall. This is hard to explain, because part of the humor of
the books is the anachronistic tensions among quills and parchment
and flying cars and MegaMutilation III; all I can say is that IMO,
JKR always gets the balance right, whereas this little bit seemed
Disneyish in a way that yanked me unceremoniously into 2002.
HERMIONE. I don't mind their giving her a lot of Ron's lines, really
I don't. Most of them were things she might well know and say, and
she gets little enough screen time in CoS (though she gets relatively
little page time in the book, so it would've been perfectly faithful
to have very little of Hermione in the movie). So it would've been
okay with me if Hermione had known what Mudblood meant. But the
welling-up tears were bad, bad, bad. Hermione, with rare exceptions,
is the kind of person who reacts to having her feelings hurt by
getting angry, not by going all quiet and teary. The dynamic with
Draco through the books is definitely one where she's more ticked-off
than wounded by his bigotry.
They gave her one of Dumbledore's lines too ("Fear of the name
increases fear of the thing itself"), which stood out mostly because
I thought it was badly acted, but might have been okay except that I
really like the fact that Harry, Dumbledore, Sirius and Lupin are the
only ones we know who break away from the You-Know-Who convention.
Again, it's as if the moviemakers suddenly decided to remind us that
most people fear to say the name--which, at the risk of sounding like
a broken record, they could get across by *having Harry say it* and
*showing everyone else flinching* or even saying "could you say 'You-
Know-Who,' please?" At the Burrow, for example.
RON. I haven't seen the whole movie with dh yet (he got ill and had
to leave early the first time), but when we do, I'm going to poke him
hard when we get to the Lockhart-clubbing and hiss "That isn't in the
book! Ron wouldn't do that!" I just can't bear the slander. It's
such a gratuitous and mean thing for him to do, and as I've said
elsewhere about Hagrid, Ron has a temper, but he isn't mean. And if
you think this isn't any different than kicking someone on the shins,
just try getting knocked out by a blow to the head sometime instead
of getting kicked on the shins.
Like Harry, he's also not as stupid as he's made out to be in the
movie Polyjuice scene. Yeah, in the book his act wouldn't fool
anyone (this scene is Exhibit A for the Draco-isn't-all-that-bright
school), but he does manage to force a laugh when reading the article
about his dad, and doesn't do anything more than clench his fists
when Draco dreams of a dead Hermione. This Ron is a complete idiot.
Incidentally, we need *one* line after the Polyjuice scene to
acknowledge that it was a complete dead end (not for the later plot,
as we know, but for their attempt to find out who the Heir is). If
I'd never read the book I'd have wondered what it was all there for.
They blew a great opportunity to lay the groundwork for Ron's
insecurity about his poverty and Harry's wealth, too. It's right
there in the Burrow, and it's very simple: instead of having him
say, "It's not much, but it's home," have him say "It's not much..."
and trail off and look at Harry. Or have him say the things he says
in the book, if they can spare the seconds. But the point is, he's
nervous about whether his friend will like his home and thrilled when
said friend does. Why the hell did they turn it around?
ARTHUR. There's a lot of room for interpretation on this one, so I
can't say they got it *wrong*; they just interpreted one line
differently than I like to. When Arthur's introduced to Harry and
says "Good Lord, is it Harry Potter?" you *could* interpret it
as "OMG, it's the Famous Harry Potter!" The way I read the line in
the book (and the way Jim Dale reads it), I get a little rise of
frustration as I think that's his reaction, and then a little
satisfying resolution as he turns out to be more excited about the
fact that this is Harry Potter, Ron's friend than Harry Potter, the
boy who defeated the Dark Lord. In the movie it is definitely the
latter, which is a shame because Harry much prefers the ordinary (but
extraordinary to him) reaction of "Wow, it's Ron's friend, we've
heard so much about you!" to "Wow, it's Harry Potter," and I like to
think that he gets the much more human treatment from Arthur.
DUMBLEDORE, or whoever was responsible for the Hagrid lovefest. That
was awful. But I could go on in curmudgeonly style for paragraphs
about filmmakers who think the best possible ending to a movie is
some kind of big graduation scene where we all get to clap, like Star
Wars or Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (they just saved the
universe! Let's *clap,* everyone!). It's as if they can't think of
anything more richly emotional than a bunch of people applauding--
whereas, if they wanted to end on a We Love Hagrid note, IMO they'd
have done much better to cut immediately after Harry's hugging him.
Anyway, the whole thing is not only dumb, it's OOC. Harry wouldn't
declare his feelings in front of the whole school if he could mutter
them privately to the person concerned; Dumbledore wouldn't listen in
and then start clapping. Just ugh.
The whole thing is making me worry about PoA, because PS/SS had fewer
OOC moments than CoS, and if they keep drifting in this direction,
Sirius is going to be a rock star, Pettigrew is going to be Mr. Burns
(I *do* always picture him that way--too bad Mr. Burns is American,
and also a cartoon character, or he could go for the role), and Lupin
is going to be, let's see, will they decide to make him the Rambo of
the classroom with a few satisfyingly macho nose-to-nose
confrontations with Snape, or will they make him mild to the point of
fainting? I know, he'll turn into Robin Williams and twinkle at the
students while quoting heartwarmingly from Whitman. Ugh again.
Amy
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