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In a message dated 4/17/2007 12:25:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com writes:

<<<Are you sensing a strong aversion towards Ginny? Um, I do  not know 
about others but not from me for sure.

I **like** Ginny, I  **like** her with Harry and on her own, I do not 
want her to be Mary  Sue!Ginny though and to me Ginny with Patronus 
same as most powerful  wizard in Potterverse so far looks and smells 
like Mary Sue Ginny. Because  to me it may imply that Ginny is as 
powerful as Dumbledore. Scary thought  that.

I do not want to be beaten over the head with the baseball bat  with 
the symbolism and this one feels as such.

That is why I am  hoping it is not canon, but I do think it  is.

JMO,

Alla>>>




Hmmm.

I must be missing something...several things,  probably.

I recall JKR clearly showing that Harry's Patronus as a stag  in POA. Why are 
people hoping he's going to have a Phoenix as his Patronus in  DH? Have I 
missed a canon reference somewhere that wizards have stables of  Patroni 
available to them? I kind of got the impression that a wizard's Patronus  was 
pretty 
individual--and maybe would change if the wizard had a life-changing  
experience, but until I read otherwise, I'm expecting Harry's to remain a stag. 

And as far as Ginny having a Phoenix as her Patronus--well,  why not? Does 
that mean it would be more powerful than Harry's stag, for  instance, and that 
she would be a more powerful wizard than Harry? I don't know  that it would 
definitely signify that.

Whether or not JKR had planned on giving Ginny a particular  Patronus, for a 
visual medium like the movies, it's not something that can be  glossed over. 
If the DA are to be shown practicing that spell, the film  makers will want to 
show one. I'm also sure she would have decide upon one for  Ginny, given the 
backstory she has given everyone, but even if she didn't, she'd  have to let 
the movie people come up with something. She had to have been  willing for 
Ginny to have a Phoenix as Patronus.

As for concerns that Ginny might turn into a powerful wizard  Mary!Sue!--just 
because she's a powerful wizard (which has clearly been  suggested by JKR in 
the books, so that's likely canon already), it doesn't mean  she'd end up a 
Mary!Sue! just because of the form of her Patronus. How powerful  she is we will 

learn in July, but it's already clear she's going to play a  big role in 
whatever happens, no matter what form her Patronus might  take.

jamelia
(who knows everyone isn't going to be happy no matter what's  in the book, 
any more than everyone is happy with the movies)
 

Julie:
Hi, Jam! (We're old friends from another Yahoo list :-)
 
Alla and others are obliquely referring to a discussion on the
main HPFGU list regarding changed patronuses (patronii?). Since
JKR often uses foreshadowing in the books, many of us have assumed
Tonks's briefly mentioned changed patronus in HBP foreshadows
a changed patronus in DH, one which will have more impact on the
plot. Two theories have been that Harry might have a new patronus
reflecting his status as Dumbledore's Man, or that Snape might
have a new patronus reflecting his status as Dumbledore's Man
(should he turn out to have "killed" Dumbledore on Dumbledore's
orders, meaning he's DDM--Dumbledore's Man--versus ESE--ever so
evil--or OFH--out for himself). The latter has been a pet theory
of mine and others, since it might give a DDM!Snape a way to
communicate information to the Order. (And JKR did decline to
name Snape's patronus in an interview, saying it would "give 
away too much.")
 
Anyway, it did come as a surprise to many of us that Ginny's 
patronus is a phoenix, because a phoenix patronus at this 
moment (as of HBP) would seem to reflect Dumbledore or Fawkes
as a protector, and it seems that Ginny as a Weasley might have
some other symbol of protection. Though the theory advanced that
Ginny's experience in COS could have influenced her to see Fawkes
as a protector is a viable one, I suppose. 
 
As for Ginny being a Mary Sue character, I know some on the main
list again see her emergence as a strong character and as Harry's
love interest as coming somewhat out of the blue. Though I do
think there were clues to her talents as a witch and a Quidditch
player in earlier books for some those clues were apparently
a little too subtle. Thus the feeling that she's Mary Sueish.
 
Julie
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