[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh Pronunciat ions.

[Meredith Wilson]

It's really funny that Welsh pronunciation should come up today... I'm
American but have taken some Welsh classes and I was telling my friend how
to pronounce names of Welsh monarchs last night.  Not that _that_ comes up
often!
 
>From my lessons, the Welsh double 'l' is an odd pronunciation.  The UK
'Thlew-ell-en' has it closest.  It's a sound that is made when you touch the
tip of your tongue to the roof of your mouth and blow around it.  I don't
know any other sound like it.  It should be pronounced this way for both
sets of 'Ls' from what I learned.  Granted, I'm no expert, and Welsh has
lots of mutations, but there it is.  Another thing that's slightly different
with pronunciation is that a 'w' has an 'oo' sound, no matter where it is in
the word (or whether it's next to an 'e' or not). So it ends up being more
like 'lluh-oo-ELL-inn' with the double ls making that weird sound. :)
 
Also, who mentioned they were getting Welsh lessons from the BBC?  How does
one get in on that?  I'd love to take more.
 
Meredith, who's glad that this has come in handy and wasn't just for
giggles.

 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> 
> > Now this might sound like a dumb question but how do you 
pronounce 
> > the Welsh surname Llewellyn? As in "He Flew Like a Madman" by 
> > Kennilworthy Whisp (a biography of "Dangerous" Dai Llewellyn). 
Not 
> > our Dai, the book mentioned in QttA. I would pronounce it FOO-
flinn, 
> > but I'm guessing that's way off.
> 
> Oh dear.  I've known a few Llewellyns here in the US, and they and 
I 
> all pronounced loo-ELL-en.  Is that a gross Americanization?  And 
what 
> about my Uncle Lloyd?  Did he spend his years making whatever Welsh 
> ancestors we have roll in their graves by pronouncing it Loid?  
> (Actually, he took a stage name back in his youth and used that the 
> rest of his life, so no one ever called him Lloyd anyway.)
> Amy Z

Maybe Dai should be the one to answer this, but...
In the UK Llewellyn is pronounced Thlew-ell-in.  But, the double L in 
Lloyd still remains l not thl.  Why, I don't know.

One that I have always wondered about is Anthony.  In the UK, the 
majority pronounce it An-tony.  In the US, IIRC, it is An- THony.  
Anybody know why?

Another one is herbs.  Why do most Americans drop the H?

I'm not being picky, just curious.

Catherine



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