more pronounciation

[meckelburg at foni.net]

Hi,
There are 3 different types of "ch" in Germany:
a harsch sound, very hard to explain or pronounce, if you are not 
used to it - in "Dach = roof"
a soft sound, when a vowel follows "Buch=book is harsch, 
"Bücher=books is soft
If an s follows the "ch" it is pronouced like a normal "K".
If the s is before "ch" it is like the English "sh"

I admit, German is not an easy language
( I know, I had to learn a lot of it the hard way, too)

Mecki

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Starling" <starling823 at y...> wrote:
> Naama wrote:
> ***BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German 
"ch", 
> which I, for one, cannot pronounce. ***
> 
> ::tests out the "ch" sounds as apartments knock on the door to ask 
why I'm hacking::
> To my ear, they are very close.  In any case, I was the first person 
in my class, way back in middle school, to get the German "ch" sound. 
 This is thanks to my childhood friend Sara and her mother, who made 
me learn to pronounce "challah" correctly before I could have any.  
Sara, therefore, is responsible my scant Hebrew vocabulary (around 5 
words <g>)...oh well.  She tried, give the girl much credit.
> There's minute differences, but that general sort of "hack" (which, 
imo, is why German has such an unfair reputation as a harsh language) 
exists in a lot of languages -- "Hvala", the Croatian word for "thank 
you", has that same sound, and had I not already been used to it 
already I probably never would have gotten around that pronounciation. 
> 
> But then, we English-speakers get our own back -- I love listening 
to ESLers trying to pronounce the "th" sound.  (Random tidbit:  that 
exists only in english and islandic)
> 
> On the flip side -- if we could pronounce everything properly, than 
we wouldn't have any nifty accents in each other's languages! <g>
> 
> Abbie, who likes to flatter herself that she can sound like a native 
German speaker but knows she still sounds like an american
> 
> starling823 at y...
> 69% obsessed with HP and loving it
> "Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his eyes.  "A magic beyond all 
we do here!"
>           -HP and the Sorcerer's Stone
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: naama_gat at h... 
>   To: HPFGU-OTChatter at y... 
>   Sent: Tuesday, 08 May, 2001 9:01 AM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark is Rising and Welsh 
Pronunciations.
> 
> 
>   --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> 
>   <Welsh stuff snipped>
>   > 
>   > Like no one besides Germans and Jews being able to pronounce 
>   the "ch" 
>   > in Chanukah, challah, freundlich, etc.?  Aah, it's a matter of 
>   > training.  Everyone can get it sooner or later.
>   > 
> 
>   No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch" sound. At least, not 
>   American Jews. I know American Jews who live in Israel for twenty 
>   years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. It's a very 
hard 
>   sound for English speakers to pronounce, it seems. 
> 
>   BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German 
"ch", 
>   which I, for one, cannot pronounce. 
> 
>   Naama, who learned to growl in French quite early on..
> 
> 
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