[HPFGU-OTChatter] Occult/mystical ranting, inspired by main list

[alex fox]

Wow, Rita! I really havent thought about Inanna in such depth since... well a long time ago. Thanks. I'm more of a  Demeter person, with a leaning towards Kali. Especially lately.Not in a very happy mood anymore. Thanks for the insight! Here is a lovely link to "The Burning Times" by Charlie Murphy. A passionate Goddess song that I'm sure that you've heardhttp://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/7308/sound.html BBAlex Fox 

"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/55793 
Hans Ibot Bracchae-Breves wrote about the mystical sympbolism in the 
Harry Potter series.

Hans, I was interested in your explanation of the Seven books as 
depicting Seven liberations necessary to (to what? escape from the 
Wheel of Rebirth? go to a pleasant heaven beyond the stars for an 
eternal afterlife after death?), because Seven is a big-time 
traditional magic number. It correlates with the Seven visible 
planets (which includes Sun and Moon but not Earth) which named our 
Seven days of the week, and with the Seven major chakras.

One use of Seven as a magic number is the claim that 21 is the age 
of adulthood because it is 3 times 7, representing having passed 
through 7 years of infancy, 7 years of childhood, and 7 years of 
adolescence. That actually would fit my experience of human beings 
better if it were 18 as 3 times 6, but Six is not a magic  number. 
(They utter some nonsense about 7 years being the time for every cell 
in the body to be replaced; don't they know that brain cells are 
NEVER replaced?)

There were Seven initiations in the Mithraic Mysteries, which are 
known to have correlated with the planets, altho' I don't really 
understand how they correlate. They are: Raven, Bridegroom or 
Cryphius (hidden), Soldier, Lion, Perseus, Sun, Heliodromos (runner 
/courier of the Sun), and Father. I'd like to mutter incoherently 
about whether they match up with your Seven liberations -- the degree 
would represent Harry AFTER the liberation.

Raven -- has passed from the sphere controlled by the Moon and is now 
under the power of Mercury, winged traveller, sexy trickster, and 
clever thief. The sphere under the Moon is the earthly, worldly, 
material realm, so that matches with your:   

<< In the first book Harry can gain access to the Stone only if 
he doesn't want to use it. He does not want earthly wealth and 
longevity. He has been liberated from the desire to live on the 
physical plane.>>

Bridegroom -- has passed from the sphere controlled by Mercury and is 
now under the power of Venus, goddess of love and (to Romans) 
motherhood. (I don't know what the other name, Cryphius, has to do 
with Venus, but I saw one guy claim that it was a misspelling of 
Gryphon. I dunno what Gryphons have to do with Venus, but I mention 
it because of Gryffindor.) Passing from the sphere controlled by 
Mercury goes well with defeating an enemy made of words and memories, 
but not so well with your:

<< In the second book Harry liberates an elf. Elves, goblins, 
gnomes, fire-salamanders etc. are etheric creatures. Harry achieves 
liberation on the etheric plane (the plane of life force). >>

Btw, to me Dobby seems no more etheric than the gnomes, who giggle, 
eat the roots of garden plants, and bite with their sharp teeth when 
thrown into neighboring gardens. All I know about Potterverse 
salamanders is that the Terrible Twins fed firecrackers to one.

<< In the third book Harry learns to conquer fear. This is liberation 
on the astral (emotional) plane. >>

Soldier -- has passed from the sphere of Venus and is now under the 
power of -- not the Earth, I think it's supposed to be the Sun, 
because of geocentric system irror-images the heliocentric system, 
but the name Soldier sounds more like Mars. And the name Soldier and 
the planet Mars go well with your 'conquering fear' idea. OTOH, 
*each* book in the series COULD be described that way: only PoA has 
Dementors, but each book has fear. 

I wonder if I can say that Harry spends PoA under the power of Venus 
because he spends it under the power of old past relationships, James 
and Sirius, Sirius and Remus, Sirius and Peter, James and Peter, the 
secret Secret Keeper ... His escape from the power of Venus (not 
so's one'd notice in GoF!) would be when he decided to spare Peter's 
life (freedom from vengefulness/anger?) and to save Sirius's and 
Buckbeak's lives. That sounds more solar than martial, but ... 

<< In the fourth book Harry develops his will to such an extent that 
he can actually drive back the curse coming out of Lucifer's 
(Voldemort) wand by pitting his will-power against Lucifer's. The 
eternal soul has achieved liberation on the mental plane. >>

Lion has passed from the previous sphere and is now under the power 
of --- the other one, Sun or Mars. I think Mars is the right place in 
the sequence, but the name Lion seems to me to go better with the 
planet Sun. But the name Lion and planet Sun go better with your idea 
of strength of will. OTOH is competing in the Triwizard Tournament 
being under the power of Mars? We need to see OotP to see if Harry 
is more solar or martial when being a Lion (symbol of Gryffindor 
house!).

<< Awaiting Harry in the next three books are liberation of the 
consciousness in its three aspects: the mental ego, the emotional ego 
and the consciousness ego. >>

Do the remaining three liberations match up with the remaining three 
initiations? 

Persian -- has passed from the previous sphere and is now under the 
power of Jupiter, the good and powerful ruler. Initiates of this 
degree dressed in Persian-style clothing, supposedly to represent 
the people who had brought knowledge of Mithras to the West, but 
David Uansey's astronomical interpretation of Mithraism makes them 
represent the constellation Perseus (the hero who killed Medusa -- 
it occurs to me that Medusa and her snake-hair was similar to TMR and 
his basilisk: both petrified people), which represented Mithras 
himself.

Heliodromos -- has passed from the sphere of Jupiter and is now under 
the power of Saturn. Calling Saturn a runner strikes me as some kind 
of sick joke, but Saturn IS the messenger who warns of the inevitable 
passage of time (the BBC just mentioned the SEVENTEENTH anniversary 
of the Chernobyl disaster, which I remember better than I remember 
yesterday), the arrivals of middle age and old age, and the certainty 
of death.

Pater -- has passed from the sphere of Saturn and is now under only 
the fixed stars, who dot the inner surface of that shell which edges 
the sphere that encloses the heavens/universe. He doesn't have to 
travel very far when he dies, to be beyond the stars. 

THE DESCENT OF INANNA

Another instance of the number Seven is in the Descent of Inanna. 
When she goes to the Land of Death, she passes through seven gates, 
at each of which she must pay a toll. Some people claim that these 
seven gates match the seven major chakras, but I don't see it myself. 
I will first quote the bit where she dresses to go there, from Diane 
Wolkstein's performance based on Samuel Noah Kramer's translation, 
just because I like it, and then I will quote several translations 
of the gates, starting with a different Wolkstein/Kramer.

http://www.gatewaysToBabylon.com/myths/texts/inanna/ts94.htm#part4

>From the Great Above Inanna opened her ear to the Great Below 
She abandoned her seven holy temples to descend to the underworld 
She gathered together the seven Holy Measures, She took them into her 
hands 
With the Holy Measures in her possession, She prepared herself 
She placed the crown on her head 
She arranged the dark locks of hair across her forehead 
She tied beads around her neck 
Let the double strand of beads fall to her breast 
And wrapped the royal robe round her body 
She daubed her eyes with ointment called 'let him come, let him come!' 
Bound the breastplate called 'come, man,come!' around her chest 
Slipped the gold ring over her wrist 
And took the lapis measuring rod and line in her hand.

http://www.piney.com/InanasDescNetherKram.html

When she entered the first gate, From her head, the shugurra, the 
crown of the steppe, was removed. Inanna asked: 'What is this?' She 
was told: 'Quiet, Inanna, the ways of the underworld are perfect. 
They may not be questioned.' 

When she entered the second gate, From her neck the small lapis beads 
were removed.... 

When she entered the third gate, From her breast the double strand of 
beads was removed.... 

When she entered the fourth gate, From her chest the breast plate 
called 'Let hime come, let him come!' was removed.... 

When she entered the fifth gate, From her wrist the gold ring was 
removed.... 

When she entered the sixth gate, From her hand the lapis measuring 
rod and line was removed. ...

When she entered the seventh gate, From her body the royal robe was 
removed.... 

http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.htm

123-128Neti, the chief doorman of the underworld, paid attention to 
the instructions of his mistress. He bolted the seven gates of the 
underworld. Then he opened each of the doors of the palace Ganzer 
separately. He said to holy Inana: "Come on, Inana, and enter."

129-133And when Inana entered, the turban, headgear for the open 
country, was removed from her head. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, 
Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, 
you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

When she entered the second gate, the small lapis-lazuli beads were 
removed from her neck....

When she entered the third gate, the twin egg-shaped beads were 
removed from her breast....

When she entered the fourth gate, the "Come, man, come" pectoral was 
removed from her breast....

hen she entered the fifth gate, the golden ring was removed from her 
hand.... 

When she entered the sixth gate, the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and 
measuring line were removed from her hand....

When she entered the seventh gate, the pala dress, the garment of 
ladyship, was removed from her body....


http://www.gatewaysToBabylon.com/myths/texts/classic/ishtardesc.htm
>From Ancient Near Eastern Texts, translated by E.A. Speiser 

When the first gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the great crown on her head.
"Why, o gatekeeper, didst thou take the great crown on my head?"
"Enter, my lady, thus are the rules of the Mistress of the 
Underworld."

When the second gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the pendants on her ears....

When the third gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the chains round her neck....

When the fourth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the ornaments on her breast....

When the fifth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the girdle of birthstones on her hips....

When the sixth gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the clasps round her hands and feet....

When the seventh gate he had made her enter,
He stripped and took away the breechcloth round her body....


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