Slut!Seamus and other ships

[jeffl1965]

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Morgan D." 
<morgan_d_yyh at y...> wrote:
> >    Jeff:
> > 
> >    Now, you did clear up some things for me, and gave a view that 
> > while I see your point, doesn't make it sound fair to me. :) Poor 
> > Seamus!!! Being made to wanna shag anything that breathes all the 
> > time is just terrible. I knew some randy lads before, but none 
were 
> > ever that bad. :)
> 
> ^__^ Is it still unfair if the author claims he was having the time 
of
> his life?
> 
  Jeff:
   No, that would be ok. :) I'd just be concerned about him wearing 
his willy out. :) Having a sore one isn't very fun. :P



> Actually, this brushes another very complicated issue: the 
differences
> between the many fanfiction authors' backgrounds and moral codes. We
> come all from different places, believe in different stuff, live
> different life styles... and basically, each one will be squicked 
about
> different things too. 
> 

   Jeff:
    I agree with that. I have no problem with that at all, I just 
meant that I think it's unfair for poor Seamus to be the randy 
one. :) Or should I say, the almost demonically possessed randy 
boy. ;)

> There are authors who think of promiscuity as THE horrible thing, a
> sign of a shallow personality, a sinful soul, a dreadful character. 
For
> others, promiscuity is a positive trait, a quality of those who are
> true to their nature and do not conform to arbitrary systems of 
social
> behaviour. And between the two opposite perspectives, a million 
shades
> of grey. 
> 
   Jeff:
   Interesting theory. I agree with that. In our culture being a slut 
is a double-edged sword. Males who are like that are considered to be 
sowing their wild oats, whereas a female is looked down upon. But not 
all males are applauded for being so. *I* was raised to understand 
that it's ok to have a series of lovers, but you should be true to 
each one, and you shouldn't date for a few weeks, then make love and 
then break up shortly thereafter, which some males think is the thing 
to do. I prefer not to make love to anybody that I don't feel some 
attraction to, and if I don't think we could be together and not kill 
each other, then I won't even consider sex at all. :)



> So you might see Slut!Seamus in two fics and notice that one will 
treat
> him like a worthless creature, and the other like a sensual hero. I
> haven't read many Slut!Seamus fics, but I've seen that phenomenon in
> other fandoms. 
> 
  Jeff:
   Actually, the few I've really been able to read, he's not that 
bad. I know that one or two, he's actually a bit funny, if not OOC 
somewhat. Even then, he's only in a short scene or two. It's usually 
the passing references that I've seen where they try to make Seamus 
sound slutty in a negative way, like he's not in love with the 
person, but only wanting to make a deposit, to put it mildly. Usually 
if he's in a few scenes and paired with Dean, he's handled nicely, 
and not really slutty. 
   I know what you mean about other fandoms. I've read or tried to 
read some stories that were just so badly done, that I had to give 
them up, and have even avoided some pairs just because those stories 
left a bad aftertaste.


> Stepping away from HP for a moment... For an anime fandom, I write
> stories about characters that are not human, but demons from a
> different world. I chose to write them as polygamous in my stories.
> When the anime started being aired in USA, I started receiving 
emails
> from American fans complaining that I had "turned them into whores".
> Apparently, polygamy, even if generated from honest (if not 
exclusive)
> love, is unbearably squicking for certain segments of USA society, 
even
> if we're talking about fictional, non-human characters from a 
Japanese
> story, as written by a Brazilian ficwriter. 
> 
  Jeff:
   Yeah, I know what you mean. I think in some cases some fans see 
the character as being exclusive to one person, male or female, and 
even in the cases of younger males, they won't even engage in mutual 
masturbation sessions with best friends since they're dating 
somebody, even if some males really will participate in such things. 
That's one thing that I have no problem with in relation to the HP 
characters. We have 5 normal boys sharing a dorm for 7 years. Even if 
they're exclusive to somebody, I would think that they would still 
engage in some form of masturbation in the dorm, either solo or with 
each other for a contest or just for fun. Sounds fairly normal to 
me. ;) Also, from what I've read or seen in Latino created literature 
and movies, that's a common actiivity for the males, and not 
considered a taboo act. In the states, while it happens, it's much 
more secretive and not openly discussed much due to some males 
feeling threatened by it for some reason.

> I am unlikely to ever write Slut!Seamus, but if I were to, no one
> should expect an anti-promiscuity, pro-sexual-faithfulness discourse
> from me. ^__^
> 

  Jeff: 
   LOL!! Well,if you did, I'd read it. :) If Seamus is dating Dean, 
but still wants to *play* with Neville or one of the Crevvy brothers, 
I wouldn't have any problem with that, as long as Dean doesn't. :)


> 
> >    I can agree that poor Neville wouldn't be right for it, since 
I 
> > think he'd be too embarrased to even get naked in front of 
another, 
> > boy or girl, and would most likely faint at the sight of another 
> > naked body anyway. ;) That's another reason why I think that 
Hogwarts
> > should have tubs, that way he won't fall and hit his head on the 
hard
> > tile floor the first time he sees one of the older lads naked. :) 
> 
> I remember someone telling me (about a decade ago, jeez...) that 
only
> the very rich houses in England had showers. Not that Hogwarts would
> have to follow the Muggle England pattern, but... *shrugs* I tend to
> think of any communal bathroom as having showers, unless we're 
talking
> about anime/manga. ^__^
> 
> Then again, tubs are very dangerous for the accident-prone fellows 
too.
> 
  Jeff:
   LOL!! I agree. I do picture showers as well, but from what little 
I've seen of some UK/European boarding schools, they have tubs in 
many cases, so I think of Hogwarts that way. 
   I agree that a tub would be dangerous for Neville, but I guess if 
Seamus went with him, or they suggested that he get into one with him 
and Dean, that he'd be fairly safe, well, at least from hitting his 
head anyway. Dunno about how safe from Seamus' wandering hands. :)
> 
> >   Anyway, I am curious as to what other thoughts you have or what 
> > ships you like. I don't expect to be converted, but I am eager to 
> > hear what others have to say about it. 
> 
> For HP, I write mostly gen fics, but I do read slash. I've never
> thought much of it before, but I think my tendency is to pair up 
those
> who are close friends in canon. In my experience, there's always 
some
> degree of sensuality in a friendship, even if the people involved 
never
> act on it, or even if they're not very aware of it either. 
Fanfiction
> can be a great tool to ask, "what if they *were* aware and *did* 
act on
> it?"
> 
   I agree. I mean, sometimes it's very obvious, even if the two 
aren't or in some cases, one of them might not be aware of it. ;) I 
think of this being the case with Harry. :) Ron might like guys 
smaller than him ( in more than one context) and rather like the idea 
of his best friend being his playmate during these experimenting 
years, even if one or both is actually heterosexual.


> When I first read PoA, when I got to the part in which Remus hugs
> Sirius in the Shrieking Shack, I had a half-smile on my face. You 
could
> say that scene made my slash-radar beep. ^_~  So Sirius/Remus is the
> slash pairing I read more about. At the Marauders' teen years, I 
also
> see potential in Sirius/James and James/Peter. (In fact, I'd say the
> latter is pretty much canonical, if platonic. But that's me.) I have
> less interest in Harry's generation, but my choice would be 
Ron/Harry. 
> 
   I agree. S/R is fine with me. I've not read that much, but I can 
see it. The Marauders' sounds fine. I can see either pairing, or even 
both. I would imagine with Peter being left out, that he'd want to 
get involved with James, even if he has to share. :) R/H is the 
obvious choice, along with D/S. I just feel sorry for Neville, 
because he's more or less left out unless he goes for Percy or Colin 
Creevy or Justin. 
 
> I also read Sirius/Harry. But that has another explanation. The
> relationship between Sirius and Harry (as parent/child) is the bit 
that
> interests me the most in the HP fandom, it's what dragged me deep 
into
> the fandom in the first place. But finding good gen stories about 
their
> relationship hasn't been easy -- and after OotP, it tends to become
> even more complicated. So the slash Sirius/Harry stuff -- not the 
100%
> smut material, but the stories that truly work on their 
personalities
> and relationship -- are a good consolation. (Beggars can't be 
choosers
> anyway.)
> 
   Interesting. I've not read many S/H, but I can see it. Harry's so 
starved for any kind of attention, and especially some adult, that 
it's easy to see such a thing happening. If you also accept that 
Sirius was James' playmate at one time, and with his obsession with 
Harry being like James, it's not that difficult to see him switching 
that kind of attention to Harry.

> 
> >    My thanks for replying and my apologies for having somehow 
missed 
> > this post in the first place!! :)
> 
> I was glad you replied, no matter how long it took. I don't often 
get
> replies in the HPfGU groups. 
> 
> 
  
    Well, again my sincerist apologies for not seeing this before. I 
blame Yahoo. :) I also thank you again for your reply and would 
gladly enjoy any more thoughts or any stories you might want to do, 
tu sabes? :)

  Jeff