[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Combining Brit Royalty and Wizards...?

[Shaun Hately]

On 31 Oct 2003 at 7:10, o_caipora wrote:

> "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > Perhap, restate one more time; are the reigning monarch and spouse
> > automatically King AND Queen, or does the title only reside with the
> > one who is reigning at the time?
> > 
> > If Hermione married Prince William (they are about the same age) and
> > Prince William became King, would that automatically make Hermione
> > Queen, or would she only hold the title Queen if William died and
> > Hermione took over.
> 
> The kingship descends through blood. Mary married King (George? 
> Edward?). Had Elizabeth. King died. Elizabeth became Queen; Mary 
> became "Queen Mother". She's the one who kicked the bucket a year or 
> so ago.

Not so.

The current Queen's mother was also named Elizabeth. She died last year - she 
was Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, widow of King George VI. The current 
Queen's grandmother was Mary - Queen Mary, the Dowager Queen Mother 
(widow of King George V). She actually preferred to simply be Queen Mary - 
didn't like the Dowager term, and her preference was accepted.

Queen Mother is reserved for situations where the Dowager of a King is also the 
mother of the current Monarch (that will generally be the case - but it is possible a 
situation will arise where a Queen Consort is not the mother of the next Monarch 
and nobody seems sure what their title would be in that case - most like the title 
would be Dowager Queen)
 
> Outside of royalty, mother becomes "dowager".  A "Dowager Duchess" is 
> the widow of a Duke. Her son became Duke and his wife Duchess. 
> 
> It's kind of like "emeritus" in academia.
> 
> In many of those old, grand English country houses there's a smaller 
> (but still very nice) house called the "Dower House"; it's where the 
> old Lady moves when the old Lord kicks off, to let her live out her 
> remaining years in dignity and incidentally keep her out of the new 
> Lady's hair.
> 
> So Hermione would never "take over". Her son would become King. Iif 
> you read too much fanfic, he might become Queen.
> 
> Phillip is "Prince" rather than "King" because that's the custom; 
> he's a consort, not a monarch. There's a title, Princess Royal, for a 
> sibling of the monarch, which the monarch can bestow or not as she 
> pleases. Liz hasn't given it to her sister.

Queen Elizabeth II's sister is now deceased - she died early last year. Her 
daughter Anne, holds the title, Princess Royal.

Phillip, BTW, is a Prince in his own right (Prince Phillipos of Greece and 
Denmark), as well as Prince Consort to Her Majesty, the Queen, and Duke of 
Edinburgh.




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