Need translation of today's "Get Fuzzy" comic strip

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) catlady at wicca.net
Sun Apr 8 02:16:22 UTC 2007


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> For example, Newington Butts is the name of a street close to the 
> Elephant and Castle in South London.

Who is Clement Freuds? I've heard of Lucian Freud...

I heard that the original Elephant and Castle pub was originally named
The Infanta of Castile, after the new wife of some monarch, but oral
tradition took over. So now I looked it up. I visited the four hits
<http://www.onelook.com/?w=Elephant+and+Castle&ls=a> gave me:

<http://www.bartleby.com/81/5716.html> is "Brewer, E. Cobham.
Dictionary of Phrase & Fable. Elephant and Castle" and says << A
public-house sign at Newington, said to derive its name from the
skeleton of an elephant dug up near Battle Bridge in 1714. A
flint-headed spear lay by the remains, whence it is conjectured that
the creature was killed by the British in a fight with the Romans.
(The Times.)	
   There is another public-house with the same sign in St. Pancras,
probably intended to represent an elephant with a howdah.>> 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_and_Castle> says "The Elephant
and Castle, commonly shortened to the Elephant, is a major road
intersection in inner south London, and is also used as a name for the
surrounding district. The Elephant consists of two fairly large
roundabouts connected by a short road called Elephant and Castle, part
of the A3. Adjacent to the northern roundabout is the Elephant and
Castle Shopping Centre, with an office block called Hannibal House on
top, and a residential block called Metro Central Heights, formerly
Alexander Fleming House — now both widely derided as "ugly".[citation
needed] "Elephant and Castle" has largely replaced the original name
of the area — Newington." 
and 
"The name of the area derives from a pub of the same name in the area.
The earliest surviving record of the pub's name is in the Court Leet
Book of the Manor of Walworth. The court had met at "Elephant and
Castle, Newington" on 21 March 1765. An external sign displayed in
2006 asserts that the pub was rebuilt in 1816 and 1898, although the
present building, that offers budget accommodation on upper floors,
appears to be of mid-20th Century construction.

The name itself predates this account. Apocryphally, it is a
corruption of the Spanish Infanta de Castilla, meaning the eldest
daughter of a monarch, who had supposedly landed by Royal Barge in
Newington (renamed Elephant and Castle in honour of Catherine)
sometime during 1501, as the betrothed to Arthur, Henry VIII's elder
brother who died leaving Catherine a widow. Another explanation is
that the land belonged to the Cutlers' Company, who had an elephant
and a castle on their coat of arms. The elephant referred to the ivory
used to make handles for expensive cutlery.

The elephant and castle symbol was also used in a trade that made a
far more important contribution to the London economy. It was the
symbol of the Royal African Company, a group of slave-traders headed
by the Stuart royal family when it retook the throne in 1660. Between
the 1660s and the 1720s the company's symbol was used on British
guinea coins to indicate that the source of the gold was the company's
activity in Africa."

<http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ele1.htm> says: " it's often
asserted that the name is a corruption of Infanta de Castile, usually
said to be a reference to Eleanor of Castile, the wife of Edward I (in
Spain and Portugal, the infanta was the eldest daughter of the monarch
without a claim to the throne). That would put Elephant and Castle in
the same class of pub name as Goat and Compasses but, like the story
of the way that name came into being, it's almost certainly false.

Not the least of the problems is that Eleanor of Castile wasn't an
infanta (or at least wasn't known as that — the term only appeared in
English about 1600); the one infanta that the British have heard about
from school history lessons is Maria, a daughter of Philip III of
Spain, who was once controversially engaged to Charles I. But she had
no connection with Castile. The form Infanta de Castile seems to be a
conflation of vague memories of two Iberian royal women separated by
300 years."

<http://www.word-detective.com/072302.html#elephantandcastle> says
"According to the restaurant's account, "Elephant and Castle" is a
linguistic mutation of the Spanish phrase "Infanta de Castille" -- the
"Princess of Castille" (Castille, of course, being a region of Spain).
It seems that Charles the First of England was all set to marry a
certain Spanish princess in 1623 when Church authorities forbade the
match. Tempers flared and war between England and Spain resulted.
According to the story, the affair inspired one pub owner to call his
establishment "Infanta de Castille," but over time his patrons changed
the name to words which, though they made very little sense, were more
familiar -- Elephant and Castle. The name was eventually applied to
the entire district of London the pub occupied."

I note that the three accounts each specifies a differenty royal wife:
1)  Catherine, as the betrothed to Arthur, Henry VIII's elder brother
who died leaving Catherine a widow.
2)Eleanor of Castile, the wife of Edward I
3)Maria, a daughter of Philip III of Spain, who was once
controversially engaged to Charles I





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