pronunciation

Geoff Bannister gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk
Mon Oct 1 19:17:35 UTC 2007


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> 
wrote:

> VV for voiced TH is supposed to be a normal part of working-class
> London dialect, which Toad told me not to call Cockney because that is
> at closest only one flavor of many available. (Toad is a middle class
> Londoner from working class parents, and Americans often think his
> accent is Australian.) Gang kids supposedly called beating someone up
> 'bovvering' them. Or knocking out their teef. Maybe Geoff can tell us
> how the gang kids pronounced 'them' and 'their'. I can't imagine
> anyone pronouncing them Vem and Veir.

Geoff:
That particular usage would usually only occur in an intermediate syllable 
such as "muvver", "bovver" for "mother" and "bother" or less usual at the end 
as your suggestion of "wivv" for "with" - but not at the beginning of a word.

The other English usage very particular to London is the glottal stop which 
usually occurs with bad speakers with a "tt" in the middle of a word. 
Wikipedia suggests that it's a bit like the sound in the middle of the 
interjection "uh-oh". A Cockney for example will pronounce "better" as 
"Beh - er" with a break in the middle and no "t" sound.






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