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> > Alla:
> > 
> > Agreed. Dumbledore is a baby in comparison, me thinks :)
> > 
> > And when Merriman for all his sadness does not even flinch when 
he 
> > tells Will that I was prepared to let him die...
> 
> Magpie:
> I would say that you have to also take into account the different 
> relationships--and again that Merriman isn't supposed to be a 
human 
> being (so someone we should aspire to be). He's like a god.
>

Alla:

Well, yeah, but it is hard not to for me anyways. 

Magpie: 
> The Walker's weakness really wasn't just that Merriman betrayed 
his 
> love, because Merriman didn't, iirc, lie to the Walker. He told 
him 
> exactly what he was being asked--and being asked to take on a 
mission 
> that was potentially deadly isn't unheard of, really. The problem 
> wasn't that Merriman betrayed him, since Merriman laid out exactly 
> what Hawkin was doing. Hawkin made the choice--Merriman didn't 
force 
> him, iirc. That's the thing the Light doesn't do.

Alla:

Hmmm, right. He was not forced, but I was not sure that Merriman 
told him exactly what was asked, because isn't he saying to Will 
that He(Merriman) should have make sure that Hawkin knew exactly 
what the risk was?

 
> The trouble was the Walker in the moment where he could have died, 
> couldn't help but make it a test of love--even though Merriman had 
> told him the truth, Hawkin couldn't really understand the depth of 
> what he was being asked until that moment. In that moment the 
Walker 
> needed exactly what Merriman was unable to give--he needed him to 
put 
> his love for Hawkin the Man above the Light, and he couldn't. He 
> would let him die, because otherwise the book might be harmed.

Alla:

Precisely, yes and objectively I totally understand it and know that 
Light has to fight, just feel very sorry for Walker and as I said 
not sure that Merryman told him everything. I was under impression 
that the fact that he could die was sort of a surprise for him.

 
> Merriman and the Light also gave Will a really horrible illness, 
one 
> where, as Bran says, the doctor didn't even realize how bad it 
was. 
> The Light did it to protect the prophecy temporarily. Will, when 
he 
> realizes this, has no problem.

Alla:

Hepatitis you mean? Well, yeah, Will IS an Old one, hehe. 

 
Magpie:
<SNIP>
> So, the thing is, Dumbledore's the one crying and saying how he 
got 
> to love Harry--he loved him like a person, and he needs/wants 
Harry 
> to love him back (Merriman and Will are prepared to accept the 
hatred 
> and mistrust of people). Merriman considers what happened to 
Hawkin a 
> serious mistake of his own (Merriman's--not Hawkin's). He doesn't 
> hold Hawkin's betrayal of him against him.

Alla:

I am comparing Dumbledore and Snape v Merryman and Walker. I do not 
remember Dumbledore asking Snape to love him, no?

Yes, Merriman says it was his mistake, I know. But I am not sure I 
agree that he does not hold Hawkin's betrayal against him. It is as 
I said was an impression I was left with when I read the books few 
years ago. Merryman says great words, but making Walker walk the 
earh for many centuries does not look like not holding his betrayal 
against him. IMO of course, but I thought his actions speak louder 
than words.

If he would not hold his betrayal against him, why didn't he just 
let him go back to his century?

Oh man, this is fun, I now want to talk about these books more and 
more :)


 
> Alla:
> > 
> > And love Will as I am, I wanted to slap him badly when he showed 
> the 
> > signs in the Walker's face.
> > 
> > Did you still like Will after the reread? I am rereading 
Greenwitch 
> > now and so far am liking Will still, we shall see how I feel 
after 
> > the end.
> 
> Magpie:
> I've never not liked Will.:-) I don't remember exactly what scene 
you 
> mean when you say Will shoved the signs in the Walker's face--but 
I 
> do remember that ultimately Will feels sorry for the Walker, 
> specifically thinks about respecting him and understanding the 
> cruelty that was done to him. If it's the scene I'm thinking of it 
> seems like again it's laid out along the same lines--Will knows 
he's 
> doing something cruel, and he's choosing to do it because he 
thinks 
> it's important for the Light. In general he treats him 
> compassionately and thinks of him with compassion even though he's 
> tried to do some serious things to him. He thinks sadly of the 
short 
> time they were like friends.


Alla:

Well, as I said so far I like him well enough still, yeah, he feels 
sorry for Walker sometimes.

The scene I am thinking about is when Walker is in his house and 
Will tells him to say that he needs a doctor to move his family and 
Walker refuses and Will shoves the signs in his face knowing that it 
would make Walker scream in pain?

Wanted to slap him badly, but yes, he feels sorry, I like that :)

Just not that moment.