The war about The War of the Roses
Carol
justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 9 01:59:33 UTC 2008
Carol earlier:
>
> > White is associated with York: Richard's symbol was a white boar
for Eboracum, the Latin name for York (a pun on "bor"/"boar");
Catlady:
> The white boar was Richard's personal badge, right? Why did he have
a personal badge punning on York when he personally was Gloucester?
Carol responds:
Both his older brother Edward IV and their father, also named Richard,
had been dukes of York. Richard's badge shows his loyalty to the House
of York, as does his motton, "Loyaultie me lie" (loyalty binds me).
Catlady:
> What does Eboracum mean in Latin (don't answer 'York').
Carol:
I don't think that it means anything in Latin. It's the Latinization
of a Celtic name, whose translation depends on the source you're
consulting. The one I like best is "place of the yew trees."
Anyway, despite his title, Richard had few personal connections with
Gloucester and many with the City of York, which wrote a moving
epitaph for him after he was "piteously slain and murdered." He was
raised in the household of his much older cousin, Richard Neville,
Earl of Warwick, at Middleham Castle in North Yorkshire, and Middleham
became his home after he married Warwick's daughter (his first cousin
once removed). So while his loyalty was to Edward and the House of
York, his heart belonged to York itself. As Lord of the North, he was
admired and loved. His tragedy, IMO, is that he wanted to recreate
that experience in the very different, intrigue-filled atmosphere of
London.
Carol, who thinks that "The Sunne in Splendour" will give Catlady a
better idea than "Daughter of Time" of Richard III and his earlier
self, Richard, Duke of Gloucester (from a Yorkist perspective, of course)
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