heteronormativity in the potteruniverse

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bdclark0423"
<bdclark0423 at ...> wrote:
 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" <Schlobin@>
> wrote:
> we don't know whether GG was in love with DD. I suggest that GG WAS
> in love with GG because he showed remorse in his old age, and didn't
> tell Voledemort, I'd love to speculate that it was because in part 
> GG didn't want Voldemort to desecrate DD's tomb).
 
> bdclark0423:
> Absolutely, we don't know anything about DD & GG's actual
> relationship (although very interesting point you speculate on 
> not wanting Voldy to desecrate tomb)  

I like the theory that GG defied LV because he didn't want LV to win.
Which could have been because he didn't want LV to go down in the
history books as having conquered as big an empire as GG did, a GG
vanity reason. 

But it also could have been because he had had 50 undistracted years
to think about it and thus come to realize that conquering people is
immoral and thus decided to serve the Good. 

There are other possibilities in between those theories.

A GG / DD personal love motive is that GG, rather than caring about
desecrating a grave (the dead body is NOT the person; the person has
gone on at least as far as 'King's Cross'), wanted revenge on LV for
killing DD. That would apply whether they had an 'affair' or
'uncomsummated' romantic love or love as best friends.

An impersonal GG love motive is that GG somehow Legilimensed LV and
saw that he was a complete madman who only loved to destroy, killing
even his most loyal followers when in a tantrum, and saw that LV was
very bad for the wizarding folk, even the purebloods. And (in this
theory) GG's real motive all along had been to raise the wizarding
folk over the Muggles, not to destroy the wizarding folk nor even the
Muggles, so he acted to protect the wizarding folk from LV.

Did GG start out evil? I am sure he didn't start out as evil as LV.
Even the most handsome and witty young man in the universe couldn't
seduce the young Albus Dumbledore with the idea of 'let's go around
killing people and destroying the economy and the environment, because
killing people and destroying things is so much fun' (which I am
certain is LV's motive). 

If his goal was 'I want to conquer a bigger empire than Alexander the
Great', at one time that would have been viewed as laudable ambition
rather than as evil. If it was 'I want to conquer an empire so I can
subjugate all the Muggles therein so they can never hurt wizards
again', at one time that would have been viewed as a noble and
virtuous goal, like patriotism. 

Why was he expelled from Durmstrang? Is it canon or fanfic that he was
expelled for killing a fellow student? Did he kill that student just
to try out whether AK works, or to make a Horcrux, or in a quarrel, or
was it like the plot of so many old romantic folk songs in which the
young man murders the young woman because he doesn't want anyone to
know that he got her pregnant? Was he expelled for preaching about the
Three Hallows and rudely contradicting professors who said the
Hallows were a fairy tale?

> this only adds to some definitely some underlying themes:  Love 
> conquers all, DD never killed GG (even to get the Elder Wand),  DD 
> waiting so long to confront GG, the way DD kept most of his private
> life `in the closet'

Those particular examples don't sound very pro-love. In particular,
love that caused DD to wait so long to confront GG was love
responsible for all the people killed or tortured by GG's empire
between the time DD knew it was monstrous and the time DD acted.

And I don't think it's clear what DD was trying to avoid when he
waited so long. Maybe he was trying to avoid killing the person he was
still in love with. Maybe he, knowing GG's abilities, was afraid he
might *lose* the duel or the trap he set might *fail*. Maybe he was
afraid that GG would be overheard saying something to him that would
damage his (DD's) pristine reputation.

> This leads to next topic about Homosexual Agenda and how some 
> supporters have even taken the next step and formed the association
> God Hates America.  These people have got it totally wrong. 

Those people may be extremely helpful to achieving human rights for
gay people. Some number of Muggles who still believe that same-sex
attraction is a mental illness or a sin, or who just can't stand
anything to change from the way it was when they were eight years old,
get so offended by people who say 'hate America' and people who abuse
soldiers' funerals, that they oppose whatever those people support.