Protest the passage of Prop 8

[susanmcgee48176]

Tonks said: 
> The purpose of 'marriage' in the eyes of the government is to 
santify a 
> union between a man and a woman for the purpose of producing and 
> raising children (more citizens for the state). And the civil law 
that 
> provides for this marriage is in place to protect those children 
and by 
> extention the mother. It is not there to provide for health care 
and 
> Social Security benifits for same sex couples, it is there to 
provide 
> and protect the children of a hetrosexual union. 


Okay, so you're saying here that people who can't have children, or 
won't have children should not be allowed to get married? Please 
clarify.





> 
or 
> this to result in more homosexuality than we currently have, which 
in 
> turn means a lower birth rate and less citizens for the state. 

Are you truly worried about a lower birth rate? With the rate of 
population growth in the world?

As a parent who has adopted children, I think there are plenty of 
children in the world who are hungry, abandoned and lost. I support 
people's decision to bear children, but I also support people's 
decision to adopt.




> Carol said:
> Carol, who dislikes any restriction on the free expression of 
opinion
> in the name of political correctness and the labeling of opinions we
> disagree with as bigotry or oppression
> 
> Tonks:
> I agree. I feel that I can not express how I really feel about this 
> issue because it is not PC to do so.
>


So, Tonks, it seems to me that you are expressing how you really 
feel.....? 

The term "political correctness" was spawned by the right wing in 
order to silence those who asked that people be courteous and polite 
in their characterization of others...i.e. not to use the N word 
about African Americans, etc.

Your views, in fact, are shared, still by the majority of Americans, 
although that's changing.

In California, the vote for gay marriage was 65 to 35 among people 
age 18 - 24, and 65 to 35 against amongst people 65 years of age and 
older.

So, here is MY unpopular viewpoint. 

We lost in California because people still believe that being lesbian 
or gay is a choice, immoral and against God's law. There are deep 
wells of prejudice and homophobia in the world. This statement is 
different from saying that anyone on this listserve is a bigot or a 
homophobe.

Would anyone really deny that there are people who still think that 
lesbians and gays are a danger to children? Would anyone here deny 
that there is widespread prejudice, fear, and yes hatred towards 
lesbians and gays? If you disagree, please google "Matthew Shepherd", 
or google "hate crimes against gays in the United States"...or please 
take a look at the pflag.org website, or any website that lists the 
1100 benefits that lesbians and gays in committed relationships are 
denied by the federal government.

Are folks familiar with the Mildred Loving versus Virginia story? She 
was an African American woman who married a European American man, 
and the police came into their home in 1953? 1959? (sorry still doing 
this from memory) and arrested them. Interracial marriage was against 
the law. The judge said that interractial marriage was immoral, and 
sentenced them to a year in prison. They were able to avoid prison by 
moving out of Virginia. It was not until 1967 that this case was 
overturned and interracial marriage was declared legal. 1967.

Before she died, Mildred Loving came out in favor of marriage for ALL 
people, explicitly including same gender couples.

Susan McGee, Eureka, CA