Redemption of Anakin and other redemption stories (moved from Main)

[kempermentor]

> Alla:
> Well yeah, I am just wondering if redemption could not different for different personalities. Maybe for Snape what started with Lily could have lead to some more general thing. I am not sure I do get the deliverance from sin part, but I have to sleep on it.

Kemper now:
Deliverance from sin = atonement = redemption.  Freedom from guilt = avoidance of accountability.  In Snape's case, I do feel he has recognized the evil of his actions but it was through avoidance of accountability rather than a desire to atone.

 
> Kemper: 
> > Going back to Anakin.  I like Snape more mostly because he didn't murder a temple of younglings.  Knowing that back story (screw you Lucas) makes it difficult to cheer the Anakin/Vader in Return of the Jedi.  <SNIP>
> 
> Alla:
> Oh. Good thing I did not see that movie. Um, I will continue to ignore that I mean, cause THAT would make me reevaluate things a lot.
> 
> However, yes, as I said if I pretend I have not read it, the fact that what to me read as main conflict in the story was resolved, worked well.

Kemper now:
Alla, I'm so sorry for not adding spoiler space!
But you bring up an interesting idea regarding episode 4-6 of Star Wars:  taken by itself, does Anakin redeem himself?  I still don't think so.  30 minutes or so before the Emperor is about to kill Luke with Crucio, Vader is all 'so you have a sister, maybe she wants to go to a daddy/daughter darkside dance.'  I find it hard to believe true struggle with that (paraphrased) comment.

Kemper