[HPforGrownups] even more wand order stuff

[Amanda Lewanski]

No: HPFGUIDX 6516

Steve Vander Ark wrote:

> Here's the way it looks from where I'm standing. The order that James
> and Lily come out of the wand tells us the order in which they died,
> no question about that. But any way you look at it, the spells that
> killed them came out of the wand AFTER the one that sent Voldemort
> packing, since that spell was not one of the nine that did come out.

Okay, I think I see what you mean. Didn't we talk about whether echoes would
be perceivable or not? I mean, if a spell was cast and did not work/had no
tangible form, how would one perceive the echo in the Reverse Effect? If
someone didn't die (so a shadow-person emerges), wasn't tortured (so you
hear screams), or something wasn't created (Wormtail's new hand), or some
other thing you could see or hear, how would you know the spell had been
there? The Avada Kedavra spell that was cast at Harry did not kill him, and
did not kill Voldemort. What shadow can we possibly see of that spell, to
place it in the "order" of the reverse count? And thus, how would (do?) we
know that it came before or after the Potters?

I think I got that phrased right. Hope so, it's late.

--Amanda