Ron/ Definition of "Shipper" & "Mary Sue"

[Susan McGee]

No: HPFGUIDX 7367

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, marty at m... wrote:
> 
> > naama wrote:
> > > You know, Ebony, you really hit a nerve here. Only when I read 
this
> > > I realized I have an uncomfortable feeling about Ron too. I'm 
not
> > > sure it arises from the same reason, though. I think its more 
because
> > > of his relative nondescriptness. 
> 
> and then Penny said:
> > Well, I'd agree more with Ebony that my own discomfort with Ron 
has to
> > do with my growing unease that he may be susceptible to betrayal 
of
> > Harry because of all his insecurities & envy.  And, like Ebony, I 
guess
> > I don't have much sympathy for his troubles.  He has a loving 
family &
> > plenty of talents of his own if he'd quit worrying about what 
everyone
> > else has.  I think he's the weak link.
> 
> I agree that Ron could use some development, and I would like to 
know more
> about him.  On the other hand, that's one of his salient character 
> features -- he's struggling to define himself.  Psychologically, I 
like
> the idea that Ron feels comfortable in Harry's shadow because he's 
grown
> up in the shadow of his brothers, yet simultaneously feels the need 
to
> act out his conflict about that with Harry, too.
> 
> About feeling sympathy for his angst: really, what does Hermione 
have to
> deal with, either?  Her muggle background and her teeth?  I'm more 
> sympathetic to Ron's feeling of overwhelmedness and 
frustration/shame 
> about his family's lack of means than that.  Of course, we found 
that
> Neville has some really ugly stuff to deal with, and Harry, it goes 
> without saying, so I guess I would place Ron in the middle...but he 
does
> seem prone to self-pity. 
> 
> (While I'm talking about this, I want to know why the benevolent 
folks 
> at Hogwarts keep sending Harry back to his abusive home?  They know 
too 
> much to NOT know that the Dursleys actually torture Harry -- 
depriving 
> him of food and locking him up physically -- aside from the 
emotional 
> abuse.  I really have a problem with that, and the message it sends 
to 
> kids who read it.)
>  
> > H/H shipper is someone who favors a romantic pairing between 
Harry &
> > Hermione.  H/R (or R/H) shipper is someone who favors a Ron & 
Hermione
> > romantic pairing.  D/G - Draco/Ginny; H/G is Harry/Ginny, H/C is
> > Harry/Cho, etc.
> 
> What do you call someone who would be interested in seeing an 
adolescent
> fling between Harry and Ron?  I think it would be a rather sweet 
added
> dimension to their friendship (future or past).  Given the strong 
> feelings that were flying around GoF between them, the jealousy, 
the 
> frustration when they were fighting, the fact that Ron was Harry's
> "thing he'd miss most," I don't think it's even too far-fetched.
> 
> Now you're going to throw me out, aren't you? :->
> 
> 
> Marty

They would call you a H/R shipper, or they would say that
you would bring down more righteous anger from the religious
right, or distract from the story by introducing a sexual theme.

Harry and Ron DO remind me of Regis Hastur and Danilo Syrtis in the 
Heritage of Hastur (not to mention Regis and Lew Alton). In the 
Darkover series, bredu often shared a sexual bond as well as an 
emotional one....