The Kiss

[Jim Ferer]

No: HPFGUIDX 7562

--- In HPforGrownups at egroups.com, "Ebony " <ebonyink at h...> wrote:
> Penny wrote: 
> > > I know she might have just been thinking, "oh, poor Harry, he's 
> been through > > so> > much in the last few weeks," and just kissed 
> him spontaneously, without> > any real romantic interest.  But .... 
> it could also indicate there are> > underlying feelings for him too. 
 
I would hope so. R/He/Ha have been through experiences more intense 
than most adults go through.  Ask anybody who's been in a war; nobody 
is as close as his/her foxhole buddies. It's special, and will be more 
so for someone 14.

> that this > was an extremely emotional time for all of them and 
she's  relieved that one > of her best friends is ok.   I do think 
that JKR  was trying to emphasize not > only to Ron, but the reader 
that yes, Hermione is a girl (and she's becoming > a woman).  Hermione 
gets emotional and IMO hormonal in a > once-a-month-mood-swingy kind 
of way.  I'm a few years from being 14 but I can remember the mood 
swings like like they were just last month.  : )
> 

Exactly. I don't see the once-a-month angle in Hermione yet. One of 
Hermione's challenges is going to be to sort out her feelings about 
Harry and Ron.  She's verrrrryyy close to Harry but seems attracted(?) 
to Ron. OTOH, Harry is closer to Ron; he's much more anxious about Ron 
in the lake than Hermione; he hasn't a twinge of jealousy about 
Viktor/Hermione or Ron/Hermione.  I see Hermione's kiss to Harry as a 
sign of caring and maturity. If she was really attracted to Harry she 
never would have done it. And BTW, those who see a slash indicator in 
Harry/Ron need to take a cold shower and head to the Karen Horney 
Clinic.

> 
See what I mean?  JKR did it on purpose--she *knew* we'd be 
discussing the last page for years!  (And since there'll be no 
*Order of the Phoenix* in 2001 (sniff) I do mean years.  Thank God for 
fanfic.) > 

Having said all that, I don't think Ron and Hermione are well-matched 
at all. It's funny, but I have no sense of how Harry/Hermione would 
be.


>I like the way Penny's keeping score (especially when H/H is 
>winning) but I still don't think we can get too excited yet.

Penny is looking forward to trying this case in the Court of Romantic 
Justice (There's a fic! What if there was one?)

  I'm re-reading  the canon now to get a feel for the writing, and the 
canon is not helping my argument for the Harry side of things at all. 
 In fact, in 
> the paper he *had* to be the ever-retreating Lacanian Other, because 
> he seems to be keeping her at arm's length as far as anything other 
> than friendship is concerned.  JKR gives us the kiss, but she also 
> takes great pains to detail the period of time when Harry and 
> Hermione were spending a lot of time together, the tabloid 
write-ups, 
> etc.  I wonder if there's any reason for this beyond GoF. 
> 

Doesn't it seem that boys/girls that grow up very close end up with 
someone else?  It's almost like the incest taboo kicks in.

> We can't just ignore the fact that Harry at least seems to not even 
> consider the possibility of anything other than friendship with 
> Hermione all throughout GoF.  A friend is one thing, but if she 
> starts to head to the "sister" category we can hang it up.
> 
> No, I'm not shooting myself or my fellow H/H shippers (who have 
> *extraordinarily* good taste, might I add) in the foot.  I just like 
> to argue both sides of the debate... pick up the R/H ball and run 
> with it... it's fun to see how right we are anyway.  (laughing 
again)

Far be it for me to challenge you, Ebony.  I'm a Ginny/Harry shipper 
and I have no support from JKR whatsoever, at least from Harry's side.