[HPforGrownups] Re: Snape as DE - The Old Crowd

[Monika Huebner]

No: HPFGUIDX 16829

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyda Clunas [mailto:lydaclunas at xfilesfan.com]
 
> Sirius didn't even know that Snape was once a 
> DE. I imagine that Fudge didn't either, because of the type of 
> secrecy that is involved. I believe that Snape's position is a bit of 
> mystery to the average wizard.

Why are you so sure that Sirius didn't know that Snape was
once a DE? Just wondering. I think he always knew it, but he
didn't know that Snape had changed sides, and that this is one
of the reasons he still hates Snape so much, even more than 
during his schooldays. Sirius told the trio in the cave scene that
Snape was hanging around at Hogwarts with a gang of Slytherins
who almost all became DEs later, and I think this included Snape.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Florence [mailto:fgcjnk at btinternet.com]

> So do people think the 'Old Crowd' were all at Hogwarts together - 
> what about Lupin who's the wrong age?  I'd kind of assumed that they 
> were the ones that were all working tirelessly against Voldemort at 
> Dumbledores invitation and weren't necessarily the same age or 
> anything. 

I agree with this. Why should they all have been at Hogwarts
together? This isn't necessary to work together against the Dark
Forces. I think that Dumbledore had tried to get all those together
who he thought were 1) trustworthy enough and 2) capable enough
to serve the good side. This could have been people from all around
the country, no matter their age.

> Is there anything to say that the Potters were part of it 
> (again I've always assumed this).

I think the Potters must have played an important role in the war
against V. There must be a reason why V. wanted them dead, and
why he went to kill them *in person*. He could have sent some
DE to do the dirty job, but no, he showed up himself to make sure
that James and Harry would be really dead. Maybe he wanted to see
it with his own eyes for some reason. So the Potters were almost
certainly part of the old crowd.

> by implication:
> Sirius  (and so probably the Potters too)
> Dumbledore

For me it was clearly stated that Sirius was once part of the old
crowd, too. He seemed to know perfectly whom he had to alert,
I don't believe he went to Lupin to ask him for advice. If he knows
the members of the old crowd, he must have been part of it.
Dumbledore was the head of the gang IMO.

> Maybe:
> Senior Weasleys

I think they were part of it, too. See my other post where I explain
why I think Molly was allowed to see Sirius transform in the hospital
wing.

> Totally Tentative
> Longbottoms

Almost certainly. They must have been deeply involved or they
wouldn't have been tortured like they were.

> What are peoples thoughts on who is/isn't included and what the 
> connection is?

Maybe the old crowd or the Order of the Phoenix was something
like a secret society aimed at the defeat of Voldemort. And unlike
the Death Eater circle, I'm quite sure they all knew each other.

Monika

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