[HPforGrownups] German Audio versions - Snape as DE - Secret-Keeper

[Monika Huebner]

No: HPFGUIDX 16881

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle Apostolides [mailto:michelleapostolides at lineone.net]
 
> And can anyone tell me if the German audio books are complete or
> abridged ?

They are complete, and many people say that Rufus Beck even
makes the bad translation bearable. As I said in another post I
think he overdoes the voices a bit, but that is a pure question
of personal taste. But the translation still is *very* bad.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magda Grantwich [mailto:mgrantwich at yahoo.com] 

I wrote:
> > Why are you so sure that Sirius didn't know that Snape was
> > once a DE? 

Magda wrote:
> And on the same page: "...but I just can't see him [Dumbledore]
> letting Snape teach at Hogwarts if he'd ever worked for Voldemort."

You're right. I always assumed that Sirius knew at least *something*
about Snape's activities during VWI, but apparently he isn't sure
at all what to think about it. It's time for those audio versions to
arrive to refresh my memory...

> Makes Snape's sneering at Harry as a "celebrity" in earlier books
> more intelligible: here's Snape who's actually done very dangerous
> things for the Right Side and nobody knows about it.

Yes. I always believed that he was the spy who tried to warn the
Potters that V. was after them, even though I'm not of the "Snape
was in love with Lily" camp. And that he was furious that he couldn't
pay his debt to James because he was too late. That's the reason
IMO why he picks on Harry all the time and on the other side tries
to save his life at various reasons.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Catlady [mailto:catlady at wicca.net]

> The Potters were supposed to be in hiding from Voldemort -- surely
> James's ancestral home would be one of the first places Voldemort looked
> -- wouldn't that be a foolish place to hide, even with a Secret Keeper?

Well, Fudge said that V. could have looked for the Potters at Godric's
Hollow for years and would not have found them. I think it doesn't matter
where you hide under the Fidelius Charm because it is impossible to
find you.

> And Sirius must have been hiding, as he was pretending to be the Secret
> Keeper and the Secret Keeper was supposed to be hiding so as not to be
> caught and have the secret tortured out of him, so how was Sirius able
> to go check on Peter? If Peter was also hiding, would that lead anyone
> to suspect that he was the Secret Keeper?

My take on it is that the person under the Fidelius Charm is hidden but
can go anywhere. We are never told how it actually works, and I always
wondered if the charm is cast in a way that only hides you from a specific
person or group of persons. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense IMO. If
you are hidden from the whole world life would be very difficult. 
Fudge also says that Sirius wanted to go into hiding, but apparently
he didn't. And maybe "hiding" in his case wouldn't have meant the
Fidelius Charm but hiding like he is now hiding from the Ministry. If
not, he would have needed a Secret-Keeper himself. And since nobody
seemed to suspect Peter of being the Secret-Keeper, there wasn't a
reason for him to go into hiding. 

There's another point to this: how was it possible for Sirius to check on
the Potters if they were hidden from the whole world? Maybe he went
to their house to see if it was still hidden under the charm (and he knew
where it was so this wasn't a problem), but when he arrived, he saw
immediately that the charm had been broken because the house, or 
better its ruins, had reappeared. But maybe this is just another plot hole.
Any thoughts?

Monika

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