Snape and Lucius Malfoy/Rosebush

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No: HPFGUIDX 17335

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., catherine at c... wrote:
> I've thought about (and commented) on this before.  I don't think 
> this comment was about Snape, but about Karkaroff.  I think that 
> Karkaroff is the one who has left forever,

 He says 
> (paraphrase) that Karkaroff won't get far, as Voldemort has ways of 
> tracking down his enemies.  He expects Voldemort to kill Karkarof - 
> note also the "enemy" which is the exact word used by Barty Crouch.
> 
> Therefore it stands to reason that Snape is the one Voldemort 
thinks 
> is too cowardly to return.


IMO I think Karkaroff is the coward.  I don't get the impression that 
the *coward* will be killed.  V. just says he will pay.  It seems 
that the coward will get another chance but at a great price.  
However, the one who has left forever is to be killed.  There is not 
to be a second chance.  After PoS, I would assume that Voldemort 
knows Snape has left him forever. Voldemort had Quirrell and then BC 
Jr on his side, working at Hogwarts.  As far as we know Voldemort 
never attempted to make contact with Snape after finding out Snape 
was at Hogwarts.  Voldemort dearly wants to have someone on the 
inside.  If he thought Snape was just a coward he would have 
attempted to contact him.  Plus I believe there are things that 
Voldemort knows about Snape that we don't know yet which would leave 
V. to believe Snape has left him forever.

  
  I still believe that Snape did return to 
> Voldemort that night, at the request of Dumbledore, to begin spying 
> again.  Everything points towards this.  We know that Snape went 
> somewhere that night.  

Though I don't think Snape went back to Voldemort that night, I do 
believe it is possible.  Just because Snape went somewhere that night 
doesn't mean he went to Voldemort.  IF Snape did go to V., I still 
believe he went as Severus Snape and not in some polyjuice form, as 
we have discussed before.

I believe I am messing up on who said what so I'll just make some 
comments.  I guess it is possible that Snape was at the DE meeting 
though it would be highly unlikely.  We don't see Snape in the last 
tournament game until after Harry is back.  I guess Snape could have 
been at the meeting, immediately come back to Hogwarts, and then went 
back to Voldemort.  The problem I have with that is I don't believe 
Snape would have let Voldemort just kill Harry.  He would have done 
what he could, even if it cost him his life, to protect him.  How 
Harry got away I'm not quite sure.  Voldemort and his followers 
looked pretty helpless in that scene.


Snape might not have known who all the DE's were but surely most 
people suspect the Malfoy family of being involved.  Snape would be a 
fool not to believe Lucius wasn't a DE.  No, I think spy Snape knows 
quite a bit and isn't surpried that Lucius is in the thick of it.

There were some comments about the rosebush scene with Snape and 
Karkaroff.  Let's face it.  Snape is a man and is capable of having 
loved just like anyone else.  I believe Snape was in love at one time 
and the kids in the rosebushes just brings back painful memories of 
the one he has lost.  If he can't be with the one he loved then they 
are not going to get an opportunity to get close to the one they 
like.  So very like Snape! 

Koinonia