Latin, the "old crowd", Javert

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No: HPFGUIDX 30855

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Elizabeth Dalton <Elizabeth.Dalton at E...> 
wrote:
> Soo... in the Ancient Greek version, they could leave the spells in 
> Latin, I suppose (though it would be chronologically weird), but 
what 
> are they going to do with the spells in the Latin version? It would 
be 
> pretty weird to leave them as is. (And might not be correct Latin, 
> either-- JKR did say that she did the research for their names on 
her 
> own.)


There's not really any language that is to Latin what Latin is to 
us.  Maybe they could cast them in Proto-Indo-European?  ;)



> I assumed when I read GoF and heard the title for the next book 
that 
> "the old crowd" and "the Order of the Phoenix" were the same, and, 
as 
> noted above, a group of wizards who had fought Voldemort with 
> Dumbledore in the past.


That seems to be common sentiment, but it's still just speculation.  
The Order of the Phoenix could just as easily be some entirely new 
organization that has never existed before now.  And, for that matter 
(although it's unlikely) maybe it doesn't even have anything to do 
with Dumbledore himself.


> I think it's significant that all the members of "the old crowd" 
that 
> we know (Dumbledore, Sirius, Lupin) use Voldemort's name, not an 
> elusive euphimism, the way everyone else does. Does anyone remember 
> McGonnagal ever saying "you-know-who"? Moody also says Voldemort, 
> though of course it's really Crouch. But I would expect the real 
Moody 
> to do the same (assuming he says anything printable about Voldemort 
at 
> all).


Yes, that is interesting.  I really noticed that with Sirius and 
Remus -- and it struck me as very odd at the time.

Joshua Dyal